...but of course we all know that the Watchtower makes this rule for EVERYONE ELSE.
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The Wachtower Society MUST NOT Exalt Itself
by stevieb1 inread 1 corinthians 1:5-11. therein you will see that christ is the true foundation for the christian, and that paul/apollos (perhaps we could substitute the watchtower society here) are only those who have introduced us to that foundation.
once that foundation is laid the mature christian should not be relying on the teachings of those men for direction but should be building on the foundation by relying on jehovah's direction.
the following quote from a 1984 watchtower article makes interesting reading.. .
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Jay Dubs right about 1914
by FrightMare inplease study this chart very, very carefully: http://www.sru.edu/depts/artsci/ges/d-3-2.htm.
why has such an unprecedented boom in population and technology occurred during the specific time the bible points to the 'last days', 1914?
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biblexaminer
In 10 years, the Governing Body will change the 1914 crap to a new date. September 11, 2001. They will say Jesus was enthroned then and a sign from heaven, which changed the earth, happened near the illustrious headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn New York.
They will say "this world shaking event was viewed by many of the annointed at the world headquarters" (except that the only ones who saw it were a few kitchen workers having a cigarette on the roof).
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New Book from Greg Stafford Oct.1, 2001
by stevieb1 inisbn: 0-9659814-2-8. release/shipping date: october 1, 2001. pages: 160, paperback.
table of contents.
first dissertation - prophets and prophecy.
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I cannot beleive that this guy's book is other than what the WTBTS would call "Apostate"....
The topics seem to discuss the same things which the obvious abundance of truth shows the WTBTS is lying about.
Is this guy a JW... in "good standing"? (gag)
Someone correctly pointed out that JWs cannot read it, inasmuch as restrictions on their reading material are in plce by the local Nazi elders.
He can't possibly have those discussion points and also be showing favor to the WTBTS.
So, what does he hope to acheive?
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Hi i am new
by rolling rock inhay all i am new and, just wanted to say hi.... and ask a question... how would i go about talking to my fokes about all the new "truths" that i have learned in the last few months?.
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chad inactive jw for 9 years now.... thanks
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Ask them a "Did you know..." question. Like "Did you know that JF Rutherford wrote a letter to Adolf Hitler?" and then feed them information very, very slowly.
Or the "I heard..." is good. Say that you "heard that the Watchtower made court action in behalf of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries".
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Convertion of a JW with an intelligent person
by biblexaminer in...waiting .
door opens and a young man steps into the light.. jw: good morning.. bob: good morning.. jw: we are calling on you're neighborhood today and asking people this question "ls religion serving the needs of the people, or are people being used to supply the needs of religion?".
bob: that is a good question, but before i attempt to answer that, can you tell me... are you leading up to where you offer me an opportunity to contribute to your church?.
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KN0CK-KNOCK-KNOCK
...waiting
Door opens and a young man steps into the light.JW: Good morning.
Bob: Good morning.
JW: We are calling on you're neighborhood today and asking people this question "ls religion serving the needs of the people, or are people being used to supply the needs of religion?"
Bob: That is a good question, but before I attempt to answer that, can you tell me... are you leading up to where you offer me an opportunity to contribute to YOUR church?
JW: Well ...we leave our literature at no cost, but we do accept modest donations to our worldwide work.
Bob: Interesting... Well, I don't read your literature anyway, what with it being so distructive of people's faith.
JW: (puzzled look) What do you mean? The Watchtower seeks to build faith.
Bob: Really! I have seen many an article that just rips at people's faith structure with articles designed to stumble folkes ...
JW: I have never seen anything like that in the Watchtower!
Bob: You want me to believe that you have never read, for instance, a Watchtower article that dredges up the Church's history in onder to stumble God fearing churchers?
JW: Well, (condescendingly) that's different. There have been a few articles where the Church's activity during the war years is uncovered ...but... (gesture with hand)
Bob: And you are going to tell me that that kind of stuff isn't designed to be destructive of a person's faith???
JW: Well... it's not intended to stumble, the Watchtower is just exposing the facts.
Bob: ...and you don't feel that digging up ugly facts about a person's religion is faith undermining, that it's designed to stumble members of the particular religions discussed?
JW: NO! (emphatically)
Bob: Well you are in disagreement with your own religion.
JW: What'd you mean??
Bob: When people dig up dirt on YOUR religion, your leaders claim its disruptive of YOUR faith, and that it's designed to stumble YOU!
JW: WE'RE DIFFERENT! (intensely)
Bob: Really? How...?
JW: ...well ...we ...we ...ahh ...we don't ...
Bob: (interrupting) ...you don't have dirt? Is that what you are groping for?
JW: Well... no ...we don't... Jehovah's organization is pure!
Bob: You, of course, mean the Watchtower organization ...
JW: Yes, and our history is clean because ...we don't get involved ...
Bob: So, you don't believe that it's possible for someone to tell you something about the history of YOUR religion that would stumble you?
JW: No!
Bob: That theory is easily tested. How about the letter J.F. Rutherford wrote to Adolf Hitler where Rutherford schmoozed up to Hitler and made positive statements in favor of the Nazi party, statements that said that the Nazi's and the Watchtower had lot's in common including a dislike for the Jews and the western nations. Wouldn't you be stumbled to find out about that.
JW: WHAT LETTER? That's a lie!
Bob: Well. Your leaders really HAVE kept you in the dark. The original letter, rescued from the Nazi archives has been reproduced on the internet along with english and other language translations. Your leaders make no effort to refute it either ...they just paint the internet as evil to keep YOU away from finding out.
JW: l don't believe you!
Bob: You have such freedom in your religion, why don't you call your branch office and inquire about it. And while you're at it, ask about the changes made to the procedure for you to ask for money. Ask the branch office to deny, in writing, that it was precipitated by the failure of the Watchtower's court action in defense of Jimmy Swaggart!
JW: Swaggart?(questioningly)
Bob: The TV evangelist who was caught with all the hookers...
JW: The Watchtower would never have anything to do with him!
Bob: (chuckling) Really! Prove me wrong. Bring me a letter from the branch office denying that they took legal action in the State of California just prior to you're literature becoming 'no cost', -legal action to try to prevent sales tax from being imposed on Swaggart's literature. You people are so eager to prove people wrong ... Prove ME wrong! Bring me a written statement denying the letter of Rutherford to Hitler and the Swaggart defense by Watchtower lawyers.
JW: Well l'll just ask our elders about these things.
Bob: I didn't stumble you did I?
JW: NO! (visibly shaken)
Bob: Good ...because I wouldn't want you to be stumbled ...so that you wouldn't come back to see me again or something.
JW: Oh, I'll be back ...and with proof that we never had anything to do with Jimmy Swaggart.
Bob: Written rebuttal from the Watchtower headquarters ...and also something about J.F. Rutherford's letter to Adolf Hitler.
JW: I will ask our elders as soon as I can.
Bob: Denials from one of your 'elders' is meaningless ...they are as equally un-informed as you, and anything they have to say is un-official.
JW: Then I will ask them to write the Society about it.
Bob: And you promise to come back?
JW: Absolutely.
Bob: Are you sure?
JW: The Bible says to let your yes mean yes and your no mean no.
Bob: Don't take too long ...I might lose interest.
Epilogue: The JW never came back ...so much for your "yes mean yes". Wherever that JW is, perhaps by now disfellowshipped for asking the 'elders' questions about those issues, it's sure that today there's one less completely ignorant JW.
Interestingly, the Jehovah's Witnesses don't call on Bob's house anymore. He even called the Kingdom Hall asking for a visit, but was told that the elders were 'too busy'. Bob asked if someone else could come to answer his questions, but was again told that the elders were 'too busy'.
Bob knew that the JW would not be able to get an official denial from the Watchtower, for Watchtower officials know that this would only add to the number of people who publish the fact that the Watchtower is a Liar Organization.
All those Watchtower lawyers, and they're still unable to bring a libel suit against those who are publicly calling them Liar.
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Heres a dub who knows how to milk the disaster
by GWEEDO infrom the gc.
desert rose knows what to do:.
at our meeting last night, we had quite a few more in attendance than usual.
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The poor terrorists. Their "just doing what they beleive to be right" the things "they have been taught"... etc..etc.. blah blah blah.
Do you all get the point?
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American Witnesses face difficult time over flag
by ozziepost inreports are coming from the united states that small flags and flag badges are being distributed at schools and other public places.. many are refusing to take a flag and this is causing resentment and hurt feelings.
not wishing to offend, witnesses are asking their elders what they should do.. cheers,.
ozzie.
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Imagine being an American JW of Arabic descent. I know a few JWs of Arabic descent in Canada. I can't imagine what they will now endure.
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I was on radio today!
by Kent inhi folks!
i was this weeks guest on the norwegian radio today, in the broadcast for our county.
naturally they wanted to speak to me about many things, other than the jw related stuff, since im also running a small business magazine, and besides that im in fact a private person with my own interests.
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biblexaminer
Way to go Kent. The new KM for October will be on my bed scanner soon. Taslk later! :)
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What Bethel has done per their information Line
by puppylove ini just spoke to bryce at bethel information line (hopefully this was not just nytelecom1 himself).. this is what bethel has done:.
1. donated batteries and flashlights.
2. power equipment to cut through concrete.
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biblexaminer
I thought I saw a picture of some Bethel workers on the TV. They were picketing a blood donation center with big signs that read "Blood Kills -Stop the Flow"
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What I heard the JW's say in light of this tragedy
by Bridgette inokay, i know (or want to believe) that not all jehovah's witnesses are this calloused.
at least i hope not.
there are some good, caring people, but here are some stark contrasts i've observed today that remind me of how glad i am that i'm not part of such an overall unloving group of people.
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Last night after the meeting ended, the "Bro" next to me said
"I can't wait to get home and check out the death toll!!"
He was smiling, glad and eager. I sternly reminded him that those were people in those buildings. He gave me the look of 'party pooper'.