i would like to state firstly that i in no way intend to offend anyone.. its just when i was in the org i had major problems with the blood issue/death because of persecution.
many times we were taught that god does`nt ask us to do anything that he has`nt done himself.
now imagine everything the bible says about jesus really did happen.
That thought occured to me at times too, but I never quite verbalized it like you have.
I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER, BUT ALWAYS HELD BACK FROM EXPRESSING IT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SO BAD. REMEMBER WE WERE TAUGHT THAT JESUS, BEING A FREE MORAL AGENT, COULD'VE CHOSEN TO STAY ON EARTH AND HAVE A FAMILY HIMSELF.
JUNI
i just received this news from a bro who has connections in bethel.... .
bro albert d schroeder died at 10:30 am new york time today at brooklyn bethel...he was 94 yrs old.. he was born on april 7, 1911 in saginaw, michigan and entered bethel service in 1932. he was appointed a member of the governing body on december 18, 1974. bro schroeder's life story appeared in the march 1, '88 wt pages 10-17: entitled: "my life in jehovah's spirit-directed organization.".
i don't know if the "today" means it was actually today...as i can't be sure when my friend received this news... but anyway, another of the old guys bites the dust.. .
From reading these posts, it only reinforces my feelings that I expressed in my postings.
These men are looked up to and when you read what really went on "behind the curtain" it makes you feel even more deceived and saddened that you put your family through such abuse.
Also, WELCOME TO THE BOARD
Juni
various posters have mentioned how get-togethers and fun times socializing were frowned upon and discouraged somewhere around the early 80's.
everything changed, as far as the picnics, the dinner parties, etc.
i vaguely recall some connection being made to parties and increased "immorality.
one of the chaperones would slip a wt or awake bound volume between the two to make sure they weren't dancing too close. And of course, bible trivia games were a must. Sigh.
The many uses of the literature. AWAKES make for good traction when placed under a stuck tire in the snow.
Juni :)
various posters have mentioned how get-togethers and fun times socializing were frowned upon and discouraged somewhere around the early 80's.
everything changed, as far as the picnics, the dinner parties, etc.
i vaguely recall some connection being made to parties and increased "immorality.
Good evening Virgochik,
Really? Indianan's say "pop"? Probably brought there from Iowa farmers. My My. Holding hands. You naughty children.
I heard that the GB said that they were all disfellowshipped for immorality
Kudra - if you can, read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz. Some libraries have it. Otherwise you can go online at www.bookfinder4u.com and find the best price for books. Someone here, I forget who, sorry, recommended that site and I've used it since.
It wasn't for immorality. At first, he wasn't even DF. We were always told at our cong. that he no longer wanted sisters referred to as ministers of God. That's one reason why he wanted to write a book - to clarify the situation.
ok, here is a quick synopsis.
i was born and raised "in the truth".
i was df when i was 17 and moved away, got married, had kids etc....i came back into the "truth" at around 27 out of guilt and a strong need/desire to speak with my mother, father and sister again but since they lived back east and i lived out west they didn't really know that after a few years i became inactive again and now that dad's passed away and mom is sick i don't have the heart to tell them that i haven't been to a single meeting in over 10 years (except for the ones i go to when i go back to visit them and pretend like everything is aok and i am 100% yada,, yada, yada) any way, i just told my mom that me and the family are going on a cruise over spring break and you guessed it, she says, "oh no, you are going to miss the .....memorial!!!!????
You're ahead of my posting. Good job with your research. Love your kitty pic.
Juni
ok, here is a quick synopsis.
i was born and raised "in the truth".
i was df when i was 17 and moved away, got married, had kids etc....i came back into the "truth" at around 27 out of guilt and a strong need/desire to speak with my mother, father and sister again but since they lived back east and i lived out west they didn't really know that after a few years i became inactive again and now that dad's passed away and mom is sick i don't have the heart to tell them that i haven't been to a single meeting in over 10 years (except for the ones i go to when i go back to visit them and pretend like everything is aok and i am 100% yada,, yada, yada) any way, i just told my mom that me and the family are going on a cruise over spring break and you guessed it, she says, "oh no, you are going to miss the .....memorial!!!!????
Welcome to the board.
I think all of these suggestions are practical. And w/jgnat's Hall address info - like she had said - it makes it authentic. Since your time is limited, it would be faster to do this than waiting for a reply from the Headquarters. I don't know what the others may think about the time issue and getting a speedy reply, but that's my opinion.
Have a wonderful time with your family.
Juni :) P.S. Isn't it sad that in order to maintain a relationship w/family who are JWs, you have to resort to lying about things that really are none of their business? Hopefully one day you won't have to lie in order to spare yourself grief. You'll find support here from others who also share your situation.
various posters have mentioned how get-togethers and fun times socializing were frowned upon and discouraged somewhere around the early 80's.
everything changed, as far as the picnics, the dinner parties, etc.
i vaguely recall some connection being made to parties and increased "immorality.
Well you did play Bible charades - couldn't have been all bad. hee hee
You must live west of the Mississippi River. POP not, SODA. Though I live in mid state WI and you hear both pronunciations.
Yeah, vinyl records. Those were the days when you took your collections to your friend's house and acted stupid. Had to keep the fuzz buildup off the diamond needle too.
Elders' kids were looked at more closely. Of course, Dad didn't want to lose privileges, ya know? That is what is was all about, if you didn't know already.
Juni :)
various posters have mentioned how get-togethers and fun times socializing were frowned upon and discouraged somewhere around the early 80's.
everything changed, as far as the picnics, the dinner parties, etc.
i vaguely recall some connection being made to parties and increased "immorality.
The 80's marked the time when they got out of the trusting mode and got into the controlling mode in a big way.No more parties and no more events not tightly controlled by elders. If I recall correctly this was also the time when they urged that a man and a woman should never be alone together. It might lead to hanky-panky. This included those who were members of your family through in-laws. What a paranoid bunch of A** H**LES
You're right on Poztate. Your term "hanky panky"- I used the same expression and thought later that this probably ages me! In our super over-righteous congo, the girls and guys were not to sit together for lunch at assemblies. What a crock!
And Swalker - BIG HAIR for the sisters and mullocks (sp?) for the guys. And Reaganomics. Did you make a fortune then? Love your doggie pic. Though I've already told you this.
Juni
various posters have mentioned how get-togethers and fun times socializing were frowned upon and discouraged somewhere around the early 80's.
everything changed, as far as the picnics, the dinner parties, etc.
i vaguely recall some connection being made to parties and increased "immorality.
I had forgot about the skating parties. Yep. Horseshoes, baseball, volleyball in the parks w/delicious pot luck meals. I guess having fun is not allowed. Society was always expecting the worst. So do away with it all.
And I agree with you Virgochik. That's what helped to keep that brotherly love going. Then it just became all formal - only theocratic talk at the Hall ( though I know most ignored that ) and like (I forget who said this) only if you were a member of a clique were you invited to a home.
All of this so unChrist-like. If Christ were at the receptions of JW today he would be ordered to the "war room" immediately for turning good water into fine wine! And heaven help you if you don't play Kingdom music at your reception. I'm exaggerating, but that too could be a matter of counsel. MONY, MONY !! If you shook your booty, even a little, the eyebrows would go up and "sister, are you on the same spiritual level that we are? I question your spirituality." THESE ARE ACTUAL HAPPENINGS AND WORDS.
Juni
i just received this news from a bro who has connections in bethel.... .
bro albert d schroeder died at 10:30 am new york time today at brooklyn bethel...he was 94 yrs old.. he was born on april 7, 1911 in saginaw, michigan and entered bethel service in 1932. he was appointed a member of the governing body on december 18, 1974. bro schroeder's life story appeared in the march 1, '88 wt pages 10-17: entitled: "my life in jehovah's spirit-directed organization.".
i don't know if the "today" means it was actually today...as i can't be sure when my friend received this news... but anyway, another of the old guys bites the dust.. .
Right on Ozzie -
One of the COs quoted an anointed saying, "I don't have to be a chicken to know I like chicken." SCHWAAAAA??
O.K. This little bit of wisdom was being referred to the fact that the anointed (who most don't have kids) could understand the pressures that families have and also what kids have to deal with.
Uh huh. They never dealt with realism, but fantasy life.
Juni
