... and how 'bout those 'special titles' pioneer, special pioneer, auxiliary pioneer?
while we're at it, how about the title 'disfellowshipped' or classes such as the 'goat' class, 'sheep' class, the 'Ezekiel' class or the 'John' class, the Elijah' class or the 'Abihu' class, blah, blah, blah...
here it is:.
think of somebody you love, or *think* you love.
give them a list of ten things (or five things, or three things, or one thing) that you wish they would either start doing or quit doing.. they react by: drawing a line through one, two, or all ten of the things on your list (meaning that these things are important to them and they'd rather not give them up), or they rip the list to shreds right in front of you and call you a new fool for thinking up such a thing since every item on your list is too important for them to stop/start doing.. regardless of their reaction, if your love for them is totally unaffected and stays where it was before, you love them.
teejay,
the 'love me for me' sppech... can I get that on a tee shirt? or better yet... engraved on my forehead?? :]
badassociashun---> spoiling useful habits daily
hello all- recently joined, had some probs getting logged in, but here at last.... anyway, the question is: for those that can relate, when your heart feels heavy from the hurt, pain, regret, sorrow, bitterness, anger... and the lost years, stolen time, forsaken friends, broken relationships, wasted energies, abandonment, and lost love weighs on you --> caused by wt org.
stress.... how do you get past it?
what heals you, brings you relief, rescues you from total worthless feelings of inadequacy, comforts your wounds, keeps you from jumping on the train tracks?.
Warm responses such as these help show that others comprehend the feelings & grasp the situation- thanks to all of you :]
Some time ago- out of desperation- I was contemplating a return. As if being punted out isn't disheartening enough, only to discover after you return, you are still mere garbage... I stumbled upon a copy of the 'elder's handbook' pg 130 'Pay Attention to All the Flock'
---> 'Priveleges can be restored progressively when it is judged by the elders that such will not be offensive to the congregation.'
Inquiring to an elder the meaning of the 'lost' or 'prodigal' son [story #86 Greatest Man book] about the return of those to the org... 'father put a robe on his son, ring on his hand, sandals on his feet, slaughtered the fatted young bull- complete party with music & dancing'-
how does this compare with being 'offensive to the cong' when one returns- after all, the book itself makes reference to this scripture being applied to those that return??
Elder's response: 'such a party would be clearly inappropriate.'
yeah. right. whatever.
Not to take up space with further details of other similar related events at the kh during my last attendances, only to say that for a religion that boasts their own humulity & modesty and preaches endlessly about humbling oneself before God, they sure do a lot of self-exalting...'we're so humble & modest that you're not good enough for us to extend mere human kindness or common courtesy to'.
As in other tragedies of life, healing & recovery takes place over time & when one keeps busy, I suppose. This is a great board. Thank you all for the kind words. Truly appreciated.
i was just pondering the scripture, but i'm not sure if it's satan who's demanded the 'faithful' to be sifted as wheat.
i can't remember where the scripture is either.
my question is: why did jehovah give in to his demands?
is it lu 22:31 you are referring to?
i just read with interest an article entitled yoga - just an exercise or something more?
in the august 1, 2002 watchtower.. i know that growing up a witness i had always been told that yoga was related to spiritism and the occult.
however, with the popularity of yoga among the mainstream in recent years as a means to keep fit not as a means to find spiritual enlightment, i thought the society may have lightened up a bit.
I too noticed this little magazine info nugget on yoga, however the classes I attend provide no 'supernatural light'- excellent for balance, flexibility & breathing- the room is 105 degrees. Quite a rush.
hello all- recently joined, had some probs getting logged in, but here at last.... anyway, the question is: for those that can relate, when your heart feels heavy from the hurt, pain, regret, sorrow, bitterness, anger... and the lost years, stolen time, forsaken friends, broken relationships, wasted energies, abandonment, and lost love weighs on you --> caused by wt org.
stress.... how do you get past it?
what heals you, brings you relief, rescues you from total worthless feelings of inadequacy, comforts your wounds, keeps you from jumping on the train tracks?.
thanks spice & comf
venting would be good- no one to vent to- who would understand except another former 'shunee'? crying has gotten old & tiresome, results in nothing good in the end
comf- yes, living in the present beats reliving the past- guess I'm angry with myself for holding onto the 'marry only in the lord' and "you-don't-want-to-raise-a-child-in-this-system" manipulative thinking, now finding myself alone so late in life
this board offers a lot to do with your time & energies- lots to read
thanks again
my name is melissa.
i am 33 years old.
my parents started studying when i was 5. i am trying to leave the orgainization, but keep getting pulled back in.
perfection- i can completely relate to your statements made... wishing a healthy, happy & quick recovery to you
freepeace- thanks for the article! anger, guilt, on-going recording- it all fits perfectly with the org. escape experience- I saved it for future reads- good writing!
i saw this in the wall street journal, friday, june 21, 2002, page w15...it's a good article, unfortunately, i had to type it because i can't find the article on-line.....so forgive the typo's.... .
houses of worship / by jason l. riley .
door-to -door, disturbingly .
thanks for putting this up- got to love it when one of their own puts them under the bare bulb:
'Preoccupied with apocolyptic dates, the Witnesses are criticized for changing course as their predictions go unrealized.' ---> speculation of those resurrected, yr of the 'END', blood issues... and now the elders represent the anointed... the saga continues <eyeroll>
below are notes of the sunday post drama talk - taken very badly by someone who cannot do shorthand
sorry - best i could do - note the anti media comments at the end.
jim dee notes on the talk - be like jeremiah, fearlessly proclaim the word of jehovah.
same regurgitated info I recall - thanks for the recap
how many times can a person reheat the same leftovers, woof 'em down pretending to be tasty...and say, 'thank you for this spiritual food at the right time'?
hello all- recently joined, had some probs getting logged in, but here at last.... anyway, the question is: for those that can relate, when your heart feels heavy from the hurt, pain, regret, sorrow, bitterness, anger... and the lost years, stolen time, forsaken friends, broken relationships, wasted energies, abandonment, and lost love weighs on you --> caused by wt org.
stress.... how do you get past it?
what heals you, brings you relief, rescues you from total worthless feelings of inadequacy, comforts your wounds, keeps you from jumping on the train tracks?.
Hello all- recently joined, had some probs getting logged in, but here at last...
anyway, the question is: For those that can relate, when your heart feels heavy from the hurt, pain, regret, sorrow, bitterness, anger... and the lost years, stolen time, forsaken friends, broken relationships, wasted energies, abandonment, and lost love weighs on you --> caused by WT org. stress...
how do YOU get past it? What heals you, brings you relief, rescues you from total worthless feelings of inadequacy, comforts your wounds, keeps you from jumping on the train tracks?
*apologize for the 'spill'- having troubles getting it 'together' again, so many stories to 're-live' in my mind of how things 'should have been' - any helpful responses welcome
