To heck with kicking him in the ass. Have him give his "new boy talk" so I can record it and play it in the congergation. NO MORE DULL MEETINGS! When I was there ('70's) I remember the someone left there bicycle in the 119 lobby and Knorr went wacko for an hour. I wish I had a recording of it all.
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I served under Knorr at Bethel and what Samuel Johnson said applies...
by Boxed elder bugs ini served under nathan knorr at bethel during the seventies and what the writer samuel johnson said applies to him, "he is not only dull, he is the cause of dullness in others.".
the only time he wasn't a dull montone voice on the bethel t.v.
was when he was berating some 'new boy' for some minor transgression.
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Rutherford's Cadillacs
by Lady Lee inrecently i read a post somewhere (not even sure if i read it here) about rutherford and his cadillacs.. where ever it was they said the cars cost $600 at the time.
well i thought that was a little odd.
since then i have read on 2 separate sites that rutherford's car cost a lot more than $600 each.. here is a picture of rutherford with one of his cars.. .
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mann377
Knorr and many of the "big shots" got their rides from the paper companies that did business with the WTBS. One such company was "Domtar". The paybacks were huge! Other suppliers also paid kick backs. Where do you think Bro. Couch got all his booze?
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5 Questions Designed to Get Witnesses Thinking
by metatron inquestions designed to get witnesses thinking need to be simple, appeal to the heart and mind and should usually avoid.
technical details they can't appreciate ( 'these cuneiform eclipses tell us the 1914 chronology is wrong') or scandals they.
can glibly deny ( 'the un forged those wt documents because satan told them to').
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How about these questions:
1). Are JW's the only christians? If they say"yes" then have them prove prove it from the Bible (how about all the people that lived before the 20th century? ) If they say no, then the WTBS is irrelevent!
2) Jesus said:" pay ceasar's things to ceasar; what happened in France? Jesus said to no be judging one another; why do they have Judicial committees?
3) Who appointed the F&DS? Who told you that the GB was the F&DS? (the WTBS)
4) Do the opinions of the WTBS consitute an article of religious faith? Can you tell the difference between opinions and truthful doctrines? Does the Bible require believing in opinions of others?
5) Have you ever seen a finanical statement from the WBTS? Do you feel you should have access to one? Can you read a balance sheet? Would you like to see one? (from the WTBS)
I could go on and on but remember this -------- A RELIGION THAT HAS ALL THE ANSWERS ............DOES NOT ALLOW QUESTION!!!!
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Attitudes toward former slaves after their emancipation?
by AlmostAtheist ini'm not a historian -- nor even "an historian" -- so i'm having trouble figuring out where to start to research this.
i'd like to see what was written about former slaves as they were absorbed into the nation as free people.
i'm guessing there would be comments about what great workers they are, how honest, how appreciative -- much like the praise allegedly heaped on jw's.
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The Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond Va. has the most info on the slavery before, during and after the war. Would it surprise you to know that some slave holders were black and went to the caribean after the war? Its like any situation in that it depends on the type of slave and former slave holder. Some slave holders were fair businessmen and others were animals. Its not uncommon to find antiques in the houses of decendents of slaves. These were given to the former slaves after the war, many years after, as an inheritance. Most slaves stayed on as sharecropers because they did not know what to do with their new found freedom. To this day many in the south celebrate "Junteenth" as a day of emancipation. To draw a parallel with the witnesses that leave the plantation of the WTBS would be difficult at best. Its more like the underground railroad (determinded, scared, overjoyed in the end!)
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Scales falling from my eyes. (very long!)
by PoppyR inhi everyone, totally new here.
and still associating with jws... have been baptised 23 years, that was at the tender age of 13 when i had absolutely no idea what i was doing.
i have always been considered a rebel...brought up in a family by a single parent, my two brothers are both elders, the younger being a regular pioneer, my sister a regular pioneer and serving in a foreign language congregation.
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Hello Poppy! I don't make many post here although I have been around here a long time. I was moved by your situation and the doubts about the credibility of the WTBS. So I thought I would post my two cents worth. First, it sounds as if you want to leave the plantation (called the org). You need to lay some ground work and take stock of the situation you are in. For example you have a husband who is still in. Is he reasonable? How does he (or other family members) react to you missing the meetings? There are many post here about the best way to fade and fly under the radar of the elders (sometime known as the gestapo). As your powers of reason begin to come back, you will begin to see the WTBS in a much different light. Caution: do not become confrontational! This only feeds the feeding fenzy that the org has programed the dubs to engage in. Please keep posting as this will be a source help in your journey out to freedom. (note: freedom is not free)
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Wikipedia—Faithful and Discreet Slave
by AuldSoul inthoughts?
comments?.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/faithful_and_discreet_slave.
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mann377
Yeah: "As a class, the Faithful and Discreet Slave has no authority over anyone or anything. This group is not even listed in the Organizational structure of Jehovah's Witnesses." Shows what a farce the whole organization thing is!
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mann377
Excellent post!! This should be very interesting to those that were new to the WTBS and were not familiar with the history of the WTBS. The prize goes to the Judge for being the best conartist in the org.!!!
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Us vs Them
by mann377 ini was reading an editorial today from thomas sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made.
read this and tell me what you think.
i hope pasting works.
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Forget about politics. Does this give you insite into the typical dubs thinking. A cult way of viewing the world.
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Us vs Them
by mann377 ini was reading an editorial today from thomas sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made.
read this and tell me what you think.
i hope pasting works.
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I was reading an editorial today from Thomas Sowell and was amazed by the observation that he made. Read this and tell me what you think. I hope pasting works. If not I will put in link.
Environmentalist true believers don't think in terms of trade-offs and cost-benefit analysis. There are things that are sacred to them. Trying to get them to compromise on those things would be like trying to convince a Moslem to eat pork, if it was only twice a week.
Compromise and tolerance are not the hallmarks of true believers. What they believe in goes to the heart of what they are. As far as true believers are concerned, you are either one of Us or one of Them.
The man apparently thought that it was just a question of which policy would produce which results. But many issues that look on the surface like they are just about which alternative would best serve the general public are really about being one of Us or one of Them -- and this woman was not about to become one of Them.
Many crusades of the political left have been misunderstood by people who do not understand that these crusades are about establishing the identity and the superiority of the crusaders.
T.S. Eliot understood this more than half a century ago when he wrote: "Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm -- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves."
In this case, the man thought he was asking the woman to accept a certain policy as the lesser of two evils, when in fact he was asking her to give up her sense of being one of the morally anointed.
This is not unique to our times or to environmentalists. Back during the 1930s, in the years leading up to World War II, one of the fashionable self-indulgences of the left in Britain was to argue that the British should disarm "as an example to others" in order to serve the interests of peace.
When economist Roy Harrod asked one of his friends whether she thought that disarming Britain would cause Hitler to disarm, her reply was: "Oh, Roy, have you lost all your idealism?"
In other words, it was not really about which policy would produce what results. It was about personal identification with lofty goals and kindred souls.
The ostensible goal of peace was window-dressing. Ultimately it was not a question whether arming or disarming Britain was more likely to deter Hitler. It was a question of which policy would best establish the moral superiority of the anointed and solidify their identification with one another.
"Peace" movements are not judged by the empirical test of how often they actually produce peace or how often their disarmament tempts an aggressor into war. It is not an empirical question. It is an article of faith and a badge of identity.
Yasser Arafat was awarded the Nobel Prize for peace -- not for actually producing peace but for being part of what was called "the peace process," based on fashionable notions that were common bonds among members of what are called "peace movements."
Meanwhile, nobody suggested awarding a Nobel Prize for peace to Ronald Reagan, just because he brought the nuclear dangers of a decades-long cold war to an end. He did it the opposite way from how members of "peace movements" thought it should be done.
Reagan beefed up the military and entered into an "arms race" that he knew would bankrupt the Soviet Union if they didn't back off, even though arms races are anathema to members of "peace movements." The fact that events proved him right was no excuse as far as members of "peace movements" were concerned. As far as they were concerned, he was not one of Us. He was one of Them.
Thomas Sowell is a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
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How should the congregations be disciplined ?
by vitty ini dont think disfellowshipment itself is wrong, its the enforced shunning that causes the damage.
i think a lot of posters here agree.
personally i think the public reproof is just sick and when a person is marked!.
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mann377
I don't think the congergation has any business DF'g anybody on an organized level. After all the bible tells one to quite judging one another. If some one is engaged in conduct that you do not approve then tell them how you feel and why. These people will avoid you after you tell them. Problem solved!