i'm reading a 'bible' called.
the lost books of the bible and the forgotten books of eden.
published by the world bible publishers, 1926. the following is a direct quote from one of the 'books', .
Hi All:
Hey fred i'm surprised man that almost sounded KIND!!!!
Peace:
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so what you guys are saying is that i can beat & rape my wife, bash my children, break the law, be a violent drunk, and as long as i have faith that jesus christ was the messiah and have faith in jehovah god, i can still be declared righteous????.
read carefully james 2:14-24. or don't you understand it or don't believe it?.
abraham and rahab were both declared righteous because of their works because they both had faith.. "faith accompanied by works"
Hey All:
jst2laws:
Yes what you said is true. It all depends on the heart. That's what I feel jesus was really interested in. He wanted ppl to do good and to serve God cause they wanted to, not because thy were obligated too or because they were afraid of what might happen to them if they didn't. He was in no way controlling or condemnatory. He just wanted to help ppl become better individuals, and ain't nuthin wrong with dat.
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
if the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath?.
(sorry about my poor paraphrase).
goo
Hey Goo:
First of all nice to meet you. I enjoy the humor in your posts. Congrats on the new love in your life. It's a good thing.:)
I think Jesus meant the Sabbath was made for man's benefit, not his detriment. That's what the religious leaders in his day were quite fond, making eveything hard, puting every little thing that a peson might get some enjoyment out of in a bad light. Sounds pretty familiar don't it.
Peace:
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so what you guys are saying is that i can beat & rape my wife, bash my children, break the law, be a violent drunk, and as long as i have faith that jesus christ was the messiah and have faith in jehovah god, i can still be declared righteous????.
read carefully james 2:14-24. or don't you understand it or don't believe it?.
abraham and rahab were both declared righteous because of their works because they both had faith.. "faith accompanied by works"
Hey Jst2laws:
i think when ppl debate that aspect of the Faith vs. Works issue they are confusing the issue. For instance when Paul was discussing the sacrifice of Christ and it's significance to salvation he was making the point that all of the acrifices were in effect a mere shadow of the true propitiatory sacrifice of Christ. Back then there were Jews who wanted Christians to observe the many obligations of the Mosaic Law also. They held it was essential for salvation. Paul went through much to combat this erroneous view. I feel in combating this he went to extremes in his use of hyperbole when talking about our role in salvation.
Yes, from a technical view we can ascertain that there is nothing we can do to make ourselves righteous before God. However I feel we can do much to make that standing before God all the more sure. And of course we are not exempt from losing it either.
The real gist of what Paul was saying is that for the Christian the only foundation he needs for his faith is Jesus Christ period. It is based on no other obligation rather than to have faith in Jesus and everything he did while on this planet. Most significantly his death and what it accomplishes for the whole world of mankind. This faith would naturally encourage the person to do the works Jesus did to his full capabilities. Ther would be no need for anything othe than that to spur him on.
Peace:
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
does anyone take any responsibility for what happened in 1975?
maybe i should say what didn't happen in 1975!.
i mentioned 1975 to my still devout but not so fundamental jw mum.
Hey All:
My roommate was raised a jw. His mom had like eight kids and their dad left after he sold some land in Orlando, FL to help support the fam while they pioneered during the 1975 fiasco. He didn't want anything to do with the religion anymore and she basically made him leave really. The woman is also a paranoid-schizophranic. I think this was brought on primarily because of the pressure brought on by raising 8 kids in poverty alone.
But oddly she also has her way of defending the society about 1975. Whenever she visits and he brings it up she always says "people say nothing happened in 1975, but something did happen, a sifting took place." I wish I knew what issue of thw Watchtower she got that from.
I mean it sounds just like a line right out of one.
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so what you guys are saying is that i can beat & rape my wife, bash my children, break the law, be a violent drunk, and as long as i have faith that jesus christ was the messiah and have faith in jehovah god, i can still be declared righteous????.
read carefully james 2:14-24. or don't you understand it or don't believe it?.
abraham and rahab were both declared righteous because of their works because they both had faith.. "faith accompanied by works"
Hey AK:
Exactly my brother. I mean the issue was being debated even in the early church. It was still a focal point during the Reformation 1500 yrs later. I don't think we'll be settling it any time soon if ever.
Peace:
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so how many days a week do witnesses go to church or bible study?.
why don't they belive in military or government?.
when is the day of armegheddon coming i had heard it was suppose to come in 1914?.
Hey Law:
Jw's "church services" are called meetings and they attend 5 of them a week. They are held usually tues. and thurs. evenings and Sun morning or evening. Jw's don't allow smoking, sex before marriage, drunkenness, etc.... They also don't allow their members to participate in any other religious organization or activity. They also practice disfellowshipping, whereby a member is expelled and any fam or friends the person may have in the religion are encouraged to shun him unil he is accepted back into the religion.
If you want anymore info besides what you get here I would recommend you go to http://www.freeminds.org. It's a site that's really helpful in showing what jehovah's witnesses are really all about.
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so what you guys are saying is that i can beat & rape my wife, bash my children, break the law, be a violent drunk, and as long as i have faith that jesus christ was the messiah and have faith in jehovah god, i can still be declared righteous????.
read carefully james 2:14-24. or don't you understand it or don't believe it?.
abraham and rahab were both declared righteous because of their works because they both had faith.. "faith accompanied by works"
Hey AK:
Yes faith does come before works, but what I was attempting to explain that the two go together. Good works follow a positive, healthy faith. However, that faith is concurrently strengthened and renewed by those good works. However the main stumbling block on this issue is what exactly constitutes "faith" and "works".
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
so what you guys are saying is that i can beat & rape my wife, bash my children, break the law, be a violent drunk, and as long as i have faith that jesus christ was the messiah and have faith in jehovah god, i can still be declared righteous????.
read carefully james 2:14-24. or don't you understand it or don't believe it?.
abraham and rahab were both declared righteous because of their works because they both had faith.. "faith accompanied by works"
Hey Ak:
I don't know who you were talking to, but if I were a person of faith, I surely wouldn't expect that I would recieve anythng good from anyone if I were that kind of person.
And therein lies the point of the whole faith vs. works debate really. In my opinion ppl of genuine faith in a loving God will do loving things to other ppl. Works follow faith and vice versa.
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
bc news online provides excerpts of the letter left by mark barton in the house where he killed his wife and two young children before murdering nine others in downtown atlanta.
july 29, 1999 .
to whom it may concern, .
Awwww boys come on now! can't you guys just put your differences aside and be friends. Post something nice just once fellas, come on!
Otherwise, y'all need to get with Simon and set up sort of Pay-per-view deal cause this shit is too funny to be seein fo free>
LOL!!!!!!!!
Peace,
Bigboi
"..... anyone who ignores everyday reality in order to live up to an ideal will soon discover he had been taught how to destroy himself, not how to preserve himself." The Prince. Niccolo Machiavelli.
