Posts by bigboi

Cell phones really do impair your abilities while driving. I've been guilty of doing it a few times and I;ve found that often they take away that split second you need to avoid a collision. I know because I've had to dodge a few people who turned out to be on their cellies. I can imagine how many people have had to avoid me when I used mine.

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Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

and its not just "POOR UNEDUCATED BLACK FOLKS" I live around a ton of highly educated black folks, Howard , Speelman, Moorehouse, etc- yet the behavoir of their kids you would think they came from a broken home with no dad and mom on welfare working 3 parttime jobs-
it goes FAR beyond classses of black folks it goes to the core values black folks are teaching their kids in terms of acceptable behavoir and decorum-

JT,

What you say here could apply equally to children all over America. It's not a racial problem, it's a societal problem. Which is one of the things that makes Cosby's criticism so unfair.

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Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

once again you like so many folks are continuing to get "Hung" up on the messager and not the message- you sound like a JW who rejects the message since it comes from an "Apostate"
you too are doing the same thing,

It's all about the way the messge is presented. More than anybody like myself or yourself or any of the other people commenting in this thread, Cosby words are meant for those they apply to. I don't see myslef as getting hung on the who said whatever. I just happen to be one of those people who believe that when you are seeking to get people to make life changing decisions, then it does indeed matter how you present the infomation to them. Most of the people here who were JW's would hardly have been motivated to change their lives if someone had castigated the WTS using the harsh, disrepectful, tone and language this man used the other day. The reason being most people, no matter their station in life, appreciate it more if you approach them with a certain level of respect and dignity. Basically Bill Cosby's words WILL HAVE NO EFFECT on the people's lives he is supposedly trying to effect. I guess that will give most of the people yet one more charge to level against them, "See, then didn't even listen to Bill Cosby."

I don't have time at this moment to sift through the thread and find comments I made earlier. However, one the charges I'm seeing bandied about here is blaming white people for our problems. I'm not sure if I've been guilty of doing the same. My unsurety comes from the fact that so many people, including yourself, are bringing it up so often. I think the gist of my posts here (unless I was trying to refute what I believed to an erroneous point of view) , when it comes to Cosby's comments at least, are aimed at trying to raise the bar of discussion concerning socioeconomic realities and the ever-present race issue. That has little to do with blaming anybody for anythig solely based on what color they happen to be.

211

Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

Flash,

disagree bigboi. If it were a white person saying these things I would have to consider the possibility that were the case, but Bill is a black man passionately concerned for his fellow black people. I agree with him, attitudes have to change, awareness has to increase and education has to be stressed...Or else things are going to stay the SAME!

When I said "for the most part I didn't get anyone's and attention " and the things that have happened here are just a "re-hashing of old stereotypes and prejudices" I was talking about THIS thread, not Cosby's comments. The fact that I said his comments promoted those types of repsonses should have been indicative of that.

You know youself better than I bigboi, from what I've read from your posts on this thread though, I don't see it.

What have I said here that seeks to absolve people of personal responsibilty for the things they do?

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How to Be a Republican - A Primer

by Michael3000 in

enjoy .

1. being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host.

then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.. .

bigboi

It'd take 350 employees making corvin's wife's salary to equal what that CEO made in one year.

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Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

Could this be true? Poor , uneducated white people , living in poverty? and no alarm over that? No spokesperson for them? No grants, no AA to help?

Write these guys a letter, I'm sure they'd be willing to help.

http://www.naawp.com/

211

Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

Well bigboi, you certainly got everyones attention! Thank you for adding life to my thread.
You and I are at opposite ends of the issue though. I'm big on personal responcibility and effort, not waiting for others to do it for me or for making excuses why my lack of achievement is the fault of others. I would often tell my children, "If you want a living standard like we have, do what I've done. If you want more than you have to be more than I am (a truck driver with a 9th grade education) be more than I am." I stressed education a lot!

I don't think I got anyone's attention here. Neither did Cosby for that matter. This is just a re-hashing of old stereotypes and prejudices. Which is what speeches like Cosby's tend to promote. However, the part of one off my posts you quoted were not my words. Philosphically, your opinions are not much different than my own.

211

Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

I don't know where you get your information from, but this statement just isn't true.

I wasn't talking about specifically AFDC. I think I the source I got this info from included all forms of assisstance and aid the can be termed welfare. However, if talking solely about ADFC/TANF benefits, then that would be a correct figure. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

211

Go Get Em COSBY!!!

by Flash in

jw
friends

cosby has harsh words for black community

by don babwin, associated press writer

chicago - bill cosby (news) went off on another tirade against the black community thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere.

bigboi

Some posts from another message board i frequent. Quote:

Originally Posted by tonytonytony Black People have Many more tools today than years gone buy

you totally missed the class aspect of what i said, read it again and understand it,

bottom line..

they are NOT handing chances to low budget people in the ghetto, so low budget people in those ghetto's try to make it any way they can..by any means..

everything Malcolm said, and that's all we can remember..

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Originally Posted by tonytonytony I think Cosby is using a proven method.

it sure is working ain't it?

seeing as how he isn't the first, i think it's safe to say this method isn't working much, nothings changed..going at it the sam way as many black republicans and stuck upper class negro's and hoping for a different result cause you're Bill Cosby?silly.
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Originally Posted by tonytonytony Talking about your LAZY, UNITERESTED (except sex, hip hop, rims, cell phones and throwback bullshit), NO GOAL SETTING, Lump of GREAT Potential Ass!

Black People DO care what others think, and if it became Fashionable to have a Ph.D.
More would have them. Just like it always seems to be a way to pay those ignorant cell phone bills, and buy those bullshit jerseys!

We all need to take inventory of our lives and PRIORITISE!

i don't own cell phone,have never bought a jersey, and i couldn't tell you if my car had rims or not..

thats another problem we have..we'll all overcome when we stop wearing jersies , buying cell phones and saving up for rims?
thats also pretty silly.

you're spouting more symptoms..materialism and the pre -occupation with fashion trends is an issue, yes, but it's a minor one compared to the BIG picture, EDUCATION..
once the big picture is seen to, the minor things tend to fade away as well..

chastizing black people because they want to be "trendy" is just more off tangent bullshit that the upper class spew that makes those in the hood pretty much tune them out..

it's like a parent telling a child "CUT YOUR HAIR, you look like a hippie.."
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Originally Posted by muse which is my point it does not make him a leader but still we are still putting so much wait on thesde comments he has said
his opinion is nothing new and has been debated before

so why folks are so amazed at what he has said is truely a refection on us as a peeople
we are more concerned with what bill says
than addressing the problem

you're right it has been said before, by our own people mostly, but obviously just saying the shit isn't gonna change the shit, we've acknowledged the issue long ago, we need solutions, not reminders that there's a problem, i'm reminded everytime i drive into the hood.
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Originally Posted by GQ Smooth But I got a question. You're saying he's out of touch because he's old and because of his money. But if the same speech came from an older family member, yours moms, pops, uncle whatever. Would you take stock in it then? If yes, then try to look pass the messenger and listen to the message.

it doesn't figure..i guess i just can't break it down to such a simple exchange , cause to me, this is too broad an issue to compare to a "practice safe sex!!" or "with great power comes great responsibility" speech from an elder..i know what he's trying to do, but he doesn't know us as well as he thinks, and in effect his efforts are essentially wasted..

the ire between the havenots and the well to do will only deepen.