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  Differences Between Witnesses and Christianity

  by gespro in

  1. watchtower
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  hey everybody

  i found this site whilst looking for some other jw info.

  it may have been posted before.

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  MungoBaobab

  Triple A, when you use Yeshua in its "common anglo form Jesus," you are in effect saying that it's okay to use an artificial anglicized translation of a prominent Biblical figure's name. You yourself allude to this.

  However, JWs freely admit "Jehovah" is an artificial anglicized translation of the tetragrammaton, and never has the Watchtower Society taught that biblical figures pronounced the name of God as "Jehovah." And frankly, on this point alone, the NWT is a more honest translation of the OT than a Bible that replaces it with the terms "LORD" and "GOD." It's like replacing every occurance of "Jesus" with "the SON." While nobody is saying not use Jehovah, this webiste, and many Fundamentalists, say that it's incorrect, a logic they do not apply to the name "Jesus." Like the NWT translation of John 1:1, it appears to be doctrinally motivated.

  Also, by your own logic, the NT authors did use "Jehovah" in their writings, every time they use the name "Jesus," which means "Jehovah is salvation."
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  Can someone explain to me the story of the tower of Babel?

  by tippysock in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.

  did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?

  what happened to freewill?

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  MungoBaobab

  But certainly the slave drivers had children, who are born unable to speak and obey a parent's commands. Just by listening to others speak children pick up language, and parents teach them there is a proper way to speak (grammar, pronounciation, etc.) At first, children do not obey parents, so they must learn discipline. And how do many parents communicate this? WHACK!

  In short, being around people unable to speak and unwilling to obey was nothing new to the Babel-onians. Also, who decided which language group got to stay put in Babel?
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  How much "Christian love" can you take?

  by DevonMcBride in

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  MungoBaobab

  I am so annoyed when anyone says anything negative about the nation of Israel or the religion of Judaism that their comment is twisted into having some racist anti-semitic connotation.

  "The Bible is anti-semitic because it says Jesus was killed by the Jews."

  IT SAYS JESUS WAS A JEW!!!

  I don't accept the gospels as historical fact anymore, but when religiously uneducated men start preaching about God, the clergy doesn't take kindly to it and get the state to do some nasty things. I hate to say it, but look what happened to the GB during WWI. It makes perfect sense for the clergy of the first century, who happened to be Jewish, as was Jesus, to feel threatened by Jesus' teachings, and perfect sense for the same teachings to be viewed as seditious by the Romans. So I don't buy for a second that this was some sort of anti-semitic construct, although I do feel the details were greatly exagerrated and dramatized.
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  Can someone explain to me the story of the tower of Babel?

  by tippysock in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.

  did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?

  what happened to freewill?

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  MungoBaobab

  noko, when slaves were brought from Africa to America, none of them spoke English, and I suspect they had a few different languages themselves, so not all could speak to one another. But you know what? Their slave masters and overseers had whips, and the harsh crack of a whip on human flesh is a message understood by everyone. So Nimrod wouldn't feel obligated to release his slaves just because they suddenly spoke another language, would he? Language isn't an issue in slavery, it's power.
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  JW's Attitude

  by pc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why are jw's so haughty about the bible?

  having to deal with my dad and my brother any question you raise to them they act like your an complete a##hole.

  do you look back now and see how awful you acted?

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  MungoBaobab

  Have you ever seen a family member pretend to laugh as evolution is discussed on a nature program, or bitterly shout "READ THE BIBLE!" at the television set? I have.

  The TRUTH is like a fresh wound for many Dubs. It cuts deep, and they hold it close to themselves so tightly it becomes and object of adoration in and of itself. After awhile it becomes numb, but when something disturbs it the pain is unbearable.
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  Can you believe you followed this stuff and believed it?

  by wizedup in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my husband and i amuse each other with recollections of the "spiritual" language, sometimes with tears of laughter.

  we sometimes gasp at the thought we took all that stuff so seriously for nearly 40 and 33 years.

  every meeting, we had to be there, listening to the demands for obedience, loyalty,and submission.

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  MungoBaobab

  Hmm. The older I got the less I believed, and I can't really blame myself for being gullible as a small child. My main concern was always the truthfullness of Bible accounts. One by one different beliefs peeled off my psyche like layers of an onion, until now... Nothing.

  I guess I'm mad at myself for taking the $50 my Grandma had just given me as a gift at ASSembly (age 12 or so) and pitching it in the contibution box to make Jehovah proud.
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  Only in America....?

  by core in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  much said here recently re the world at large and how it views the us - not too favorably overall - however - must make this point - president bush has just announced his intention to have as secretary of state condoleeza rice - now for me that is amazing and a credit to the american system - she is from a poor, black american background, was rejected years ago in the south by the democrats - yet by hard work she has risen to the very top - cant see that happening in similar circumstances here in the uk - clearly one difference between us is that hard work can get rewarded in the us.

  a further note - seeing president bush introduce her when announcing his intention to put her nomination forward, i for one was struck by his apparent absolute admiration for this lady, for once he had no smirk as she spoke, rather he looked on her with evident pride and respect.

  not a fan of gw but must give him marks here for his positive discrimination in favor of talent regardless of background, ethnicity or whatever.

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  MungoBaobab

  Yep, only in America can a poor black woman rise up to become a perjerous sycophantine mouthpiece to a lying, blood thirsty president who is a slave to corporate interests.

  Okay, that was over the top. I take it back.
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  "Just being seen on the street is a witness."

  by seattleniceguy in

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  2. friends

  remember how the witnesses used to always say that even if they didn't meet anyone home, just being seen by traffic on the street was a witness?

  as if the people driving by are saying to themselves, "wow, look at those servants of the true god, bringing the waters of life to my door.

  if only i weren't so bull-headed, i might listen to them and attain a good relationship with my creator.

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  MungoBaobab

  Yeah, that's such an "at-least-you-tried-your-best" platitude it's sad.

  What about this: Have you ever been in a car with/as a Witness and scoffed at the Born-Again bumper stickers on the car in front of you? "How ignorant to think anyone would be swayed by that," right?

  Then what about "dashboard witnessing," where a Dub will place volumes of Watchtower literature conspicuously about his/her vehicle? What a powerful, silent testimony to Jehovah's kingdom to parking lot pedestrians, indeed!
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  Can someone explain to me the story of the tower of Babel?

  by tippysock in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.

  did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?

  what happened to freewill?

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  MungoBaobab

  As a child I found this story hard to explain. I knew that building something did not require so much communicationn by words as understanding of building procedures which are fairly universal.

  Hehe, good point! All those Polish and Hispanic contractors can work together just fine. Those of you with experience in the home improvement and construction field know what I'm talking about!
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  busted by a fake evergreen tree

  by cab1000 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i have not been to a meeting for well over a year.

  we are not disfellowshipped, but would be if we admitted to the elders what we've been up to, mainly smoking.

  we was both born and raised in the "truth".

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  MungoBaobab

  Haha, lisa. That's really funny. I'll have to mark you down for Good Use of Illustartions in the Apostate Ministry School Guidebook.