Posts by MungoBaobab

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Has anyone sucessfully talked a JW into quiting?

by JustTickledPink in

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my mother doesn't speak to me although she will exchange emails with me.

we actually don't communicate much, but recently i sent her a few emails detailing things are wrong with the watchtower society.

her responses are laughable... but i am still printing out articles and mailing them to her about the un scandle, she of course doesn't believe it.. but has anyone sucessfully made any headway talking to a dyed in the wool jw and made any progress?

MungoBaobab

Wow! Looks like some "Ex-JWs are in a tizzy!" LOL

I'll start a new thread. Look for the "Worst Watchtower Issue EVER"

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What is "Pagan" anyways?...

by Hecklerboy in

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witnesses love to use the word "pagan", but i think few really even know what the word means.

i think most think of the word pagan as referring to some satan worshiping cult or other strange religion.

they alway say they don't celebrate the holidays because of it pagan origins.

MungoBaobab

I was lucky/unlucky enough to not have any other JWs in my school until 7th grade. One activity I saw nothing wrong with was coloring the flags of different countries around the world. He, however, told the teacher that WE couldn't do it. When she asked why he said "Because it's pagan." She blinked twice.

"Pagan...Okay."

I felt like slapping that kid across the face.

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when the end is nigh.. go borrow millions of dollars lol

by candidlynuts in

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mormons who banked on doomsday find the debt collector at the door does this sound familiar to any of you who were around in the 70s when jw's borrowed money they didnt think they'd ever have to repay?

http://news.independent.co.uk/low_res/story.jsp?story=591991&host=3&dir=70by david usborne11 december 2004. if the 9,000 members of a polygamous mormon sect in south-west utah felt comfortable borrowing from their local bank like there was no tomorrow, it was because, in their minds, that was precisely the case.

the world, they had been told, was coming to an end.. the fundamentalist church of jesus christ of latter-day saints gladly used high-interest funds to finance suspect business ventures.

MungoBaobab

That's really funny. Being a whacko makes you do crazy things, I guess.

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Do JWs really grieve?

by undercover in

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a strange thing happened to me while watching a television movie on the life of the late nascar star dale earnhardt; i got choked up remembering a close family member who died at an early age.. .

for those of you who aren't familar with earnhardt, his father died when dale was a young man and this movie portrayed him pretty much living his entire life trying to live up to his father's ideals.

of course he died on the race track having some of the same issues with his own son, now a superstar on the track.. .

MungoBaobab

Sure they do, like anyone else. It's interesting that some have equated grief with lack of faith in the resurrection, which the WTS always says it isn't; that it's okay to grieve. But deep down, I feel, everyone knows that there is no life after death, even if they won't admit it or vehemently defend their beliefs. That's why everyone grieves in some fashion and to some degree.

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Top DJ is ex-JW

by IT Support in

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let's see if it works this time.

(the last couple of times i posted this, i'd tried embedding the page: mistake!).

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/music/story.jsp?story=592641.

MungoBaobab

I like WBALZ better, the station that plays only platinum hits, 187.4 on your FM dial. Some of you gotta know what I'm talking about!

I have a hard time believing she used to be a Witness, though. She doesn't have the lingo. "Prayer meetings?" And is the Watchtower "sold" anywhere anymore?

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Has anyone sucessfully talked a JW into quiting?

by JustTickledPink in

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my mother doesn't speak to me although she will exchange emails with me.

we actually don't communicate much, but recently i sent her a few emails detailing things are wrong with the watchtower society.

her responses are laughable... but i am still printing out articles and mailing them to her about the un scandle, she of course doesn't believe it.. but has anyone sucessfully made any headway talking to a dyed in the wool jw and made any progress?

MungoBaobab

I'd like to thank the folks at the Watchtower Society, especially the writing commitee and those who contirbuted to the August 1, 2002 Watchtower, for successfully talking me into leaving. Thanks guys!

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Does being a JW damage some children mentally?

by Gill in

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MungoBaobab

What about all the talk about the Great Tribulation? I was told by my mother at the age of about six or seven that one day people would throw us all in jail or "drag us out into the street and shoot us." My mind would race ahead to the Great Tribulation, wondering if my non-JW father or other relatives would sell us out to the United Nations. I wondered if any of my fellow students (I was in 3rd or 4th grade, mind you) would end up as armed guards at prisons in the GT and psysically abuse me. On top of that, I always figured I'd die at Armageddon anyway, because I never felt good enough for Jehovah, even though I was a model child in terms of behavior even by JW standards.

What a sick, disgusting religion.

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Can a person believe that the Bible contradicts itself and be a Christian?

by booker-t in

i am having some conflicting feelings lately that i need some advice on.

i am starting to believe that the bible contradicts itself but at the same time i love jehovah and jesus and have hope for some form of eternal life.

that will never change but i have never believed in the bible 100% coming from god.

MungoBaobab

Regarding the Adam & Eve account, God did indeed say that "in the day you eat from it you will positively die." Ask yourself, if God meant they would start to die, or they would die spiritually, then why didn't God say what he meant? Ask youself why Genesis 3:1 would refer to the serpent as "the most cautious of the wild beasts of the field" if the serpent itself was a dumb animal possessed by Satan. Ask yourself why Satan, or the devil, isn't mentioned at all. Ask youself why the serpent was punished in Genesis 3:14, when the devil is the one that caused trouble while in its body. Ask yourself if "the first prophecy" in the next verse really seems to be speaking about anything other than people stepping on snakes. Ask youself why a married couple would be ashamed to be naked around eachother when today married couples regularly see eachother nude with no shame at all.

Ask youself why in Genesis 3:22 God is afraid that man will eat from the Tree of Life and live forever. It's because this God is afraid his creation, man, will replace him. God, in the account, knew good and bad, and had eternal life. He was afraid man would become like him (and, since God always speaks of an "us," another group of gods), he lies about dying from eating from the Tree of Knowledge and forcefully restrains Adam from the Tree of Life, which I'm sure you hardly ever hear about.

There are far too many inconsistencies and lapses in common sense to take this account literally. Now, many people remain Christians while dismissing Adam & Eve, but then how do you justify the need for a ransom with Romans 5:12? Frankly, and although it is not always en vogue to do so, the Gospels can be decronstructed in the same way Genesis, and many accounts of Jesus can be seen to be fabrications.

It's a lonely feeling, when you realize the Bible isn't true, that there might not be a God watching out for you. But it can be exciting and liberating , too.

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