sorry, didnt know there were different branches of the SDA. Does Barrys follow the teachings of Ellen White??
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ELDERS DEFECTING TO OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS
by badboy ini understand that a jw elder in western australia defected to the sda.. have there been other cases of elfers defecting to other religious groups.
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ELDERS DEFECTING TO OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS
by badboy ini understand that a jw elder in western australia defected to the sda.. have there been other cases of elfers defecting to other religious groups.
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PaNiCAtTaCk
The SDA are just another cultish fanatical church. They have a very negative paper trail of prophecies just like the WT except there founder is a women named Ellen White. I cant imagine leaving the JW's only to end up following another loony.
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Remember how great the get-togethers were in the 1980's??
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini remembers skating parties at least once a month, volleyball at the park, get-togethers where everyone would play bible charades and sing kingdoms songs, going to the river to swim with the whole congregation after the sunday meeting, spending the afternoon at the lake eating watermelon and water skiing.
it was a great upbringing!
also, i dont want to leave out the strong feelings of eliteness that i had even as a child, of having the truth.
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hey thats cool my dad also played in orchestras. I know he play in New York and it was a great experience for him.
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Do you agree that, if there are errors in the bible, then it's all wrong?
by JH inin other words, if you can find a few errors in the bible, will you throw away the whole notion of the bible being "inspired by god".
example: if you find any error in the bible, will it take away the notion that killing is wrong, or stealing is wrong, .
so where do you draw the line, and accept certain biblical teachings and reject other biblical teachings?.
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Qcmbr, Lots of mistakes and errors in the book of mormon, thats for sure. Here is an article i enjoyed.
The trouble with the BOM
Despite 4,000 changes, Mormons maintain it is still the most correct book ever written - including the bible
Therefore, don't take our word for it, listen to how Mormon scholors explain away changes to the BoM while maintaining that it is the most correct book ever written:
"In 1837 Joseph Smith made several editorial changes in the Book of Mormon. Many are relatively innocuous, but one of them is much more substantial. In the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon, the verse we know as 1 Nephi 11:18 reads:
And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of God, after the manner of the flesh.
For the 1837 edition, Joseph inserted "the Son of," so that the verse has read ever since:
And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
There is no way to know just what was on Joseph Smith's mind when he made that change, but that hasn't stopped a lot of people from trying.
However, when we focus on the fact of the change, we inherently begin to ask the wrong questions. Several authors have discussed this change as evidence of an evolving LDS theology of God. That very question implicitly supposes Joseph Smith as the author of the Book of Mormon by assuming that the Book of Mormon is evidence of Joseph's early thought. If we believe the Book of Mormon, it isn't. The Book of Mormon doesn't represent Joseph's theology--it represents Nephite theology."
To read the complete text please go to FAIR LDS.
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We at Life After Ministries wish to thank Mormons like Brant Gardner who wrote the preceding "defense" of his faith. We also wish to thank "FAIR" for publishing it on their site. We are happy to see Mormon Scholors so willing to give Joseph Smith, the proprieter of Mormonsim, the benefit of the doubt. Therefore, we call on FAIR to act in a manner consistent with its name, and instruct all Mormons, via its website, to be as pragmatic about judging the intentions of early Christian theologians as they are about the judging the intentions of their own.
Moreover, we are shocked that scholors from an organzation calling itself by the name of FAIR would start with a conclusion that the Book of Mormon is necessarily true and then reverse engineer the data to meet that conclusion (please note the underlined text above). Instead, we call on all Mormons to start with a hypothesis of "The Book is Mormon is Another Testament of Jesus Christ" and reasearch forward, letting the data prove or disprove the hypothesis of their theories.
In The Final Analysis
It would seem that sometimes the Church of Latter-day Saints is its own worst enemy. By making such unsubstantiated claims that "the Book of Mormon is the most correct book ever," they leave themselves completely open to criticism. It's almost as if the Mormon Church invites the criticism, likes the criticism, is more comfortable playing the victim rather than facing the obvious and confounding issues that dog the Country's 4th largest dominiation. Instead, time after time, it has been our experience, whether we're dealing with members, missionaries or leaders of the Mormon Church, that despite the "prophectic" claims from their founder that they would confound their enemies, the Mormon church as a whole, runs away from defending their faith despite the claim that they are "true church." We should think that members of the 'true church' could do as much. But such is not the case leaving themselves open to criticism.
So we thought it would be helpful to point out some of the changes to the BOM and also show where the Bible, in the Mormon's eyes, gets a bum rap. -
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Remember how great the get-togethers were in the 1980's??
by PaNiCAtTaCk ini remembers skating parties at least once a month, volleyball at the park, get-togethers where everyone would play bible charades and sing kingdoms songs, going to the river to swim with the whole congregation after the sunday meeting, spending the afternoon at the lake eating watermelon and water skiing.
it was a great upbringing!
also, i dont want to leave out the strong feelings of eliteness that i had even as a child, of having the truth.
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I remembers skating parties at least once a month, volleyball at the park, Get-togethers where everyone would play bible charades and sing kingdoms songs, Going to the river to swim with the whole congregation after the Sunday meeting, Spending the afternoon at the lake eating watermelon and water skiing. It was a great upbringing! Also, I dont want to leave out the strong feelings of Eliteness that i had even as a child, of having the truth. As the years went by and we hit 1995, people quit getting together as much. They quit singing kingdom songs as much. The old timers that were the pillars of the congregation and getting the young ones together started to get old and started dying off. Before i left for good a couple of years ago, get-together were virtually non-existant in my hall and in the halls I was familiar with. Of course some people would get together occassionally but nothing like the ones I remembered all through the 80's. There was no more love and no more togetherness, only clicks remained:( I remembered when we remodeled our kingdom hall, we built a big rock and concrete sign out front that said, "kingdom Hall of Jw's" Inside this sign there was a space that we buried bibles, songbooks, and as many publications as we could stuff, because very soon the great tribulation would be upon us and the government would take all of our bibles and literature. We wrapped all this literature in ziploc bags and then we placed those ziploc bags in other ziploc bags. We did this routine several times. This was in 1979 or 1980. Then not long before i left we remodeled the hall and tore down the sign. All the literature that we were going to trick the government with, was eaten up with decay and mold:( Time is going to fast to spend you life chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow!
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What do I tell my wife about the MORMONS?
by OnTheWayOut ina mormon declared his intention to run for president of the usa.. my wife starts talking about it and says that they are mainstream christianity.
except for the multiple-wives issue.. i told her that the official church doesn't allow the multiple wives, but i cannot .
see them as a normal mainstream religion.
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I know that Mormons who leave the church refer to the church as the MORG, instead of the BORG for a JW:) That should tell you something. I know that Mormons believe the native americans are descendants of the israelites. Obviously, DNA testing has already destroyed that belief but the Mormon church and its followers put faith in what hasnt been found yet. They say Joseph Smith didnt write the book but only translated it from the plates that the angel Moroni gave him. Joseph smith had been convicted of scamming people out of the money already, before he supposedly translated the book of Mormon. They beieve the garden of Eden was in Missourri:) Lots of Offshoot groups that are fundamentalists, who think the mainstream Mormons are the devil. If you truly believe in Joseph Smith then you must accept his commandments to live the principal, which means multiple wives. Of course the Police had a problem with all the multiple wives so the Mormons had new light to change it. Ok, now that ive said those things. The Mormons for the most part are, very good people, they are honest, they dont steal, they are hardworking, they believe in education, and they are very rich as an organization because they do mandantory tithing.
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Unbelievable comment in Jan 1 2007 WT
by penny2 inpage 28, paragraph 11 says in part:.
"it seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.
" (the 24 elders = "anointed christians in their heavenly positions".).
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as long as they use phrases like "may be", i dont think many will question.
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Anyone here, have you had enough religion for the rest of your life?
by restrangled inthats how i feel,..... no disrespect for those who find another way or place to worship.
i for one cannot stand any religion on any level.
how do you feel?.
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I feel burnt out on religion at this point in time, and i have so many question that need to be answered. I have problems with the young earth theory, The adam and eve account and a few other things. I worry sometimes about what i will teach my son. Pretty much all religions encourage a closed mind that wont consider both sides to everything. I dont understand why God would allow suffering of a child in 2007 because a couple ate the wrong fruit.
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Getting shunned by JW's that were always WEAK makes me so mad
by PaNiCAtTaCk indoesnt it make you mad to get shunned by jw's that barely made the meetings??
to get shunned by jw's that you used to go encourage.
by jw's that always led double lives.
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PaNiCAtTaCk
Doesnt it make you mad to get shunned by JW's that barely made the meetings?? To get shunned by JW's that you used to go encourage. By JW's that always led double lives. Do they not see the hypocrisy! Has this happened to you?
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witnoids just came to my door! woo hoo!!!
by tetrapod.sapien inlooks like i am not on their "do-not-call" list anymore!!
mwa ha ha ha!!!
i bet they are going to have to rewrite the reasoning book now~!
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PaNiCAtTaCk
SHE WILL JUST HAND YOU OVER TO A COUPLE OF BROTHERS.