ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
IW
Then you need to realize that your particular pain is not everyone else's. We all had different pains in leaving the WT, and while you understand those who suffer like you, you don't understand those who suffer like me. My needs were different than yours. And there are many like me.
If you're doing something for those who suffer as you did, good. I'm doing something for those who suffered as I did. My pain was different than yours. You are not my judge.
Good day to you as well.
~Ros
ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
IW:
Why don't you do something. You have indicated that I should do it differently. What do you do? Is is fair to criticize others for what they do if you're not doing something yourself? What good does it do to criticize here? How about starting a board that serves the exiting Witnesses the way you perceive the need?
~Ros
ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
Well, Gary, here's how your logic strikes me:
Alcoholics Anonymous requires that to join their meetings and participate, you must be an alcoholic (at least in their "closed" meetings), that's why it's "anonymous". So if I'm not an alcoholic, but I want to join their meetings, they're rejecting me personally.
Sorry, Gary, I generally think you're pretty astute, but this time your logic doesn't wash.
And I still don't understand why you even wanted to participate on the Christian discussion board. You're critical of faith.
But if you are bent on taking it personally, so be it.
ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
To IW:
Doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is that the prominant exJW Christians on your board do not help the great crowd of exJWs by either posting on a general exJW board or by publishing a book or other publication which helps them to remain Christians. They need association, Ros! Exiting JWs need help to remain Christian. They need more than a "keep warm and well fed," If Penton and the others did so I would applaud your board for what it is, a place for Christian discussion.
I agree there needs to be some kind of association. I tried to start something with Christian Quest, but I couldn't get people interested. They want something, but they tend to disagree on what. They either have their own ideas about what an alternative association should be, or they want nothing to do with anything that even remotely suggests "organization."
Penton started to post on this board at one time. The wolves came after him just like they generally do those who profess Christianity. It's not friendly here for discussing Christianity, IW. In my opinion, a board like Channel C is exactly what does provide a way for people to view the Christian perspective of knowledgeable Christians without the predators descending to have them for dinner. I can tell you from private e-mail I get that evidently quite a number of people do read the board and benefit from it. People who are hurting can always post questions or comments to the board--you don't have to be a participant to do that.
Aside from that, where people choose to post is none of my business. Why blame the forum? Write to Penton.
But as it is your board is a place for the strong to preach to the choir. JWs exiting are dying Ros, they are spiritually dying. They need help, they need association. They need someone to take the lead. They need someone who cares enough to pubish a simple monthly newsletter of encouragement. They need someone who says to them, "come" rather than "go away."
In my opinion again, they don't "preach" and certainly not "to the choir". They discuss differences of opinion, present different topical evidence, and disagree quite a bit. That is not what I would call "preaching to the choir".
Also, there is a lot more than you know about behind the scenes of some of the personalities you're referring to helping other people.
BRCI is very open, and they have a number of people there who serve as "referrals". They provide a toll-free "Helpline" (1-800-WHY-1914).
There's no one solution that address all people. I think anyone who has ever hosted a board forum will agree with me on that. There's a Murphy Law that says, "If you try to please everybody, NOBODY will like it."
I actually have another forum--one that people wanted for what you're talking about. It's called exJW Christians, but anyone can join. They just have to register. For some reason, it's not very popular. :-)
Penton, Jonsson, Whitney, etc. can do this. They have the know how, the name and the maturity. What does Jesus have to do? Send a bolt of lightning their way in order to wake them up?
Well, Whitney does post here. He started this thread. Penton and Jonsson (and Persson) have written books, get personal e-mail that they respond to it, and they have on occasion participated on other boards such as this one and H2O.
The damn Watchtower is dead, DEAD! What matters now are the brothers and sisters in there and those leaving.
HELP THEM! Either allow them to post on your board or encourage Penton and the others to do something to help people who are being destroyed. What good is it to know all about doctrine if we allow our brothers to fall away? To him that was given much, much will be demanded of him. Penton, Jonsson and a few others have been given much. There is a whole crowd out there in need of spiritual food. Just simple spiritual food nothing deep or fancy just some crumbs to sustain them until they can stand on their own. If mature exJW Christians do not stand up to this challenge than let God himself teach them to do so.
Well to my knowledge they are allowed to post on Channel C. I just have to register them.
People come out of the organization with different needs, and sometimes those needs change drastically within a very short period of time. I can tell you that there have been a few who came out of the WT professing faith, participated on Channel C and here, even contacted Christian Quest, and in a short time were atheist/agnostic. So it doesn't always work out the way you say, IW.
I can tell you that there is a forum in development that may involve some of the people you are talking about. It is being developed by some prominent participants of this forum. I understand there will be announcements about it soon. Penton mentioned on Channel C that he is working on a couple of websites. I don't know what those are about, but it will be interesting to see.
Remember, IW, the people you're talking about, they have needs too.
Is there something else more important to the Christ than to feed and care for his sheep? No.
Well, you're right about that, IW. At least that's my view. But they're not all of the same fold. Those who followed Paul had different needs than those who followed the apostles in Jerusalem. There needs to be variety IMO. It would be different if there were not other places--many of them. People shouldn't follow men. That's why Ray Franz would never start something, because people would follow him, not the message. Christianity should not depend on Penton or Jonsson or Franz or Channel C.
But I do hear a lot of what you are saying. I have discussed it not infrequently with people. We have considered publishing a newsletter such as what you describe--I would like to see that happen. Perhaps it will.
~Ros
ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
Okay, Gary:
My memory was in error about your post. In the early days, I was registering only professed Christians, which is pretty I thought (and still do think) was clearly defined on the homepage and in the FAQ of "How Do I Register". The intent of Channel C was and is for discussion of Watchtower doctrines in light of Biblical scholarship. In reviewing the post you sent and my response, I honestly cannot for the life of me see how you could interpret it as a rejection of you personally. That would be like some of the people who request registration who have never been JWs taking it personally. I like you Gary. I think you are a great writer and very creative.
My objective in establishing Channel C was for my personal interests. I wanted a place where I could have discussion with other exWitness Christians that have a similar leaning to mine without having to defend ourselves on a daily basis for believing in God, for having faith, for not having an advanced understanding of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, for not believing the Trinity doctrine, etc., etc. With as many forums as there are on the Internet, it boggles my mind why people take offense at one particular focused forum whose interests are contrary to their own.
I'm sorry you took it personally,
~Ros
ccadmin posted a new thread today stating that the cc site will stay open.
it appears that everyone was able to work out some differences and put christian friendship ahead of partisan views and attitudes.
this is nice to see, and speaks well of everyone involved.
Interesting posts.
IW: It's interesting to know you read Channel C so throughly. I wish I could say the same. :-)))
Course, admittedly, I was a little more involved in the recent disruptions there.
I don't have much time to participate here. I don't even have time to participate much on my own forums.
My interest in establishing Channel C was to provide a forum where we who had left the WT and were/are interested in Biblical scholarship could have discussion focused on that avenue. It was never intended to be a big forum like JWD or H2O--I really could not afford the bandwidth. And I have no apologies for the fact that disagreements do occasionally erupt. So?
Gary: I remember your request to participate on Channel C. My response was to explain that the participants were, for the most part, focused on a Christian perspective. You replied that you would decline. You were not rejected.
My question is: Why do people have an issue with a forum that elects to focus on a Christian perspective? Why does that bother you?
I happen to be Christian and cannot afford the bandwidth of an all-inclusive discussion board like H2O or JWD. Also, I don't have the interest. I'm paying for the board, so why is it an issue that I have a board that focuses on my interests?
Sorry for the name--they unregistered "Ros" when they stopped allowing more than one registration for a participant on JWD. I'm Binadub here now.
~Binadub (aka Ros)
i have been on this board for around four years.
at first i took what went on here quite seriously, well for about three weeks, but it then became quite obvious to me that the depth of role-playing that went on on these boards was so deep-rooted that it would be a foolish waste of time to do anything more than to read some of the more informative threads and delegate the rest to entertainment.
i hope narkissos forgives me for quoting something that he wrote yesterday, but his thought clearly encapuslates the reason why it is foolish to presume that you know, or will ever know the person who is posting by what they write, and why judgments on a persons character are more than often fatally flawed.
I do not believe there is such a thing as intelligent unconditional love.
People who practice it in life tend to be weak and victims of abuse--enablers to abusers and addicts.
I have never seen where so-called "unconditional love" is a good thing.
As a Christian, I also do not believe it is scriptural.
Just my opinion.
~Ros
i have been on this board for around four years.
at first i took what went on here quite seriously, well for about three weeks, but it then became quite obvious to me that the depth of role-playing that went on on these boards was so deep-rooted that it would be a foolish waste of time to do anything more than to read some of the more informative threads and delegate the rest to entertainment.
i hope narkissos forgives me for quoting something that he wrote yesterday, but his thought clearly encapuslates the reason why it is foolish to presume that you know, or will ever know the person who is posting by what they write, and why judgments on a persons character are more than often fatally flawed.
Hey, HS, I've missed you. Glad to see you're still around--I don't get around that much any more. :-)))
Personally, I think the person you see on these boards may be closer to the real person than the one they seem to be in person. Of course there are always the exceptions. But the protection of anonymity can provide a wonderful shield for repressed or inhibited closet persona. (Just my opinion.)
~Binadub (aka, Ros)
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here is the link to a forum for discussion of christian beliefs among exwitnesses if anyone is interested.. http://wc0.worldcrossing.com/webx/[email protected]@.1dde28dd.
if you are interested in participating, you need to register with "world crossing".. ~bin
Hi,
May I ask what exJW site she signed up for?
Thanks,
~Bin
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here is the link to a forum for discussion of christian beliefs among exwitnesses if anyone is interested.. http://wc0.worldcrossing.com/webx/[email protected]@.1dde28dd.
if you are interested in participating, you need to register with "world crossing".. ~bin
Here is the link to a forum for discussion of Christian beliefs among exWitnesses if anyone is interested.
http://wc0.worldcrossing.com/WebX/[email protected]@.1dde28dd
If you are interested in participating, you need to register with "World Crossing".
~Bin
