Posts by formerout

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The WTBTS's proactive steps at preventing child molestation.

by formerout in

brobennett, you made this comment in another post:.

breeding pedophiles are more common in other religions since they are kept in circulation and not taken out of the religion.

by the way, brobennett, do you have kids?.

formerout

BroBennett, you made this comment in another post:

Breeding pedophiles are more common in other religions since they are kept in circulation and not taken out of the religion. There are many disfellowshiped ones that are taken out of Jehovah's organization for a reason.

Can you please let me know the basis for your comment mentioned above? What other religions are more common for breeding pedophiles? Why do you feel that is? What is your religion doing to prevent people from allowing pedophiles into your religion? What are you doing to remove them?

I have heard stories where disfellowshipped pedophiles are allowed back in to your religion? Is that true? If so, does having them "taken out of Jehovah's organization" do any good if they are allowed back in after?

I have seen television programs where pedophiles have admitted that they want to be prevented from being around kids because they know that they are a danger to the kids, but that they can't control their desires. Since these pedophiles admit this themselves, what is your organization doing to make sure that they are in fact prevented from endangering the children?

Thanks in advance for your answers BroBennett. It would be good for all us to have our minds at ease, should we want to become involved in your religion.... at least for those who are not right now. A lot of us have kids and we care about their welfare greatly.

By the way, BroBennett, do you have kids?

Brad

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What sports are considered violent and forbidden by Jehovah?

by jwbloodline in

i'm a bible student and the i've been told that this issue depends on my conscience.. .

i am a jiu jitsu student and have been for a 4 years.

it's more of a sport.

formerout

BroBennett,

Thank you for the idea of starting a topic on child molestation and how the WTBTS is working at preventing it. I am very interested in finding out information on proactive steps that your organization is taking to prevent it.

The topic will be entitled "The WTBTS's proactive steps at preventing child molestation." For now it will be in the "Child Abuse" area of the forum. I hope you can convince me that it should be changed to "Friends" or "Family" section. I really, really do hope you can convince me that a change is deserved.

I invite you to be fully involved in the discussion.

Brad

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What sports are considered violent and forbidden by Jehovah?

by jwbloodline in

i'm a bible student and the i've been told that this issue depends on my conscience.. .

i am a jiu jitsu student and have been for a 4 years.

it's more of a sport.

formerout

BroBennett,

Big Tex spoke of horrific things that happened to him. I'll forget about going into detail about how screwy your opinion is on how much the JW's "prevent" these actions. Others here are more adept at it (and besides I have to go play hockey, if that's OK with you?.. lol).

But one of your comments especially perturbed me:

Don't forget that Satan attacks children since they are less experienced. This is so true with teenagers as well.

This comment makes me want to puke. Instead of actually doing anything to comfort him or explain how you take steps personally to prevent these terrible things from happening, you blame it on Satan. That is one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever heard. These acts are COMPLETELY beyond any responsibility of a child. Regardless of our difference of opinion on the existence of Satan, how can you ever suggest that something so horrific be blamed on Satan.

It's this sort of logic that people use to show how you not only protect but also BREED paedophiles. Your religion disgusts me.

Brad

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WTS in Germany at court again

by GermanXJW in

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there was a new appointment at court for the wts in germany again in the case that lasts for 14 years by now: the jw want to get recognition as a public corporation.

(btw, in the 60s they said this status is against their beliefs.

now, the judge suggested that the jw are granted the status but they have to denie some of the benefits like having church taxes collected by the authorities and no public status for their ministers.

formerout

GermanXJW,

Fourteen years and Jehovah STILL hasn't solved that problem for them yet? Wow!

Brad

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"New system" questions

by JustTickledPink in

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do you remember all the hype about the "paradise" and then the natural questions that followed that no one has answers to... like,.

"will we have cars in the new system?

" - uh, well jehovah will provide us with whatever we need.

formerout

It's interesting when you look at what if the JW's gave the opposite answers to what they currently use. Case in point:

What if, in the new system, after the resurrection, you could be reunited with your partner, rather than the resurrested not having a desire to hook up again? It's just as logical as them losing their desire, but I could just see the fights.... whoa!!! Imagine this scenario:

After the resurrection, Sister Firstwife says, "Sister Secondwife, what in heavens are you doing with my husband?! When I was married to him I was not allowed to give him a blowjob. Brother PresidingOverseer, this is just not fair. Of course he's gonna want her now.... she's had ten years of practicing that stuff on him. If you hadn't changed your rules we could have an even opportunity to win him over."

Brother Husband's eyes widen as he anticipates that perhaps Brother PresidingOverseer will allow him to choose between the two and reap all the "benefits" that would go along with that.

Brother PresidingOverseer says, "Now Sister Firstwife, your husband had the opportunity to wait for you, but he chose not to. We abide by the laws that were passed before the New System came. Your death was the only justified reason for him to remarry. Sister Secondwife is now legally his wife."

Sister Firstwife is really pissed, as she remembers always hearing that the New System would end all of Satan's laws. Brother Husband is a little upset as well since, although he was too afraid to ask it before Armageddon, for fear or being disfellowshipped, he thought he would get the chance to choose.

So many completely illogical things that are impossible for the JW's to answer because their teachings are illogical and impossible. I hope I didn't offend anyone, just felt like playing the devils' advocate..... feel free to imagine the perks for yourselves too ladies, in your own scenarios.

Brad

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What is your most ridiculous example of shunning?

by Poztate in

formerout started a thread about being shunned.... this triggered something in me that i guess i really wanted to forget about.

how ridiculous do you get with shunning?.

sorry to min or others if this has been talked about.. mine came with the pre 1975 panic to come back to the "truth"before it was too late.. i signed up again in 1970...what a dummy.. my mother was dfed so that meant that i had to shun her.

formerout

I've got one that is a little odd, methinks. It's got a little twist to it.

My dad was df'd when he left my mom for another woman when I was 12. A year later he started coming back to the meetings and insisted that I sit with him at the KH, despite the fact that this was the only time he spent with me.

I kind of felt betrayed by my mom and the elders. I hated him. He had left my mom. Worse, he had left us kids. Besides that, he was a very mean and angry person that I felt greatly intimidated by.

Why the hell should I have had to sit with him, when no one else in the congregation even looked at him? I felt that I should be allowed to shun him like everybody else.

He got reinstated about a year later. After that it still sucked but it didn't seem so twisted. Fortunately, about a year after getting reinstated he took off again with the same woman. Peace at last.

Brad, of the "I better bring this up to the therapist when I get one" class.

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The system of privileges in WTS - any thoughts on how it works?

by Pole in

wts has quite a few traits which are typical of totalitarian systems.

many of them have been demonstrated on this board (labeling, shunning, monopoly on truth, propaganda, indoctrination, polarization of reality etc.)..

there is one more aspect of the wts religion which can also be observed in most totalitarian systems and that is the system of granting privileges.

formerout

Blondie,

Thanks for the "Diary". It really makes you think, eh? There were some funny parts, sad parts and ultimately a happy ending. The most important thing is that the ending is the closest to reality of their teaching. I thought it was brilliant.

Brad

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What is your most ridiculous example of being shunned?

by formerout in

i was just having lunch in a wendy's near my house an hour ago.

an elder and his wife entered and got in line to order without seeing me seated in the eating area.

after a minute the wife turned and saw me.

formerout

I must feel the need to vent tonight.... ... this is a great place to do it.

Here's another nasty example:

Six years after the incident just mentioned in the other post by me, I did get df'd 1992. (Sex before marriage with my now ex-wife...the sex must have been good for something...we lasted 10 years..lol )

In 1997 my dad died. I was, and am, still df'd. I'm the youngest of four kids. (G,B,G,B) My dad died while in town for a circuit assembly. I never even knew he was in town. (But that's not the shunning story I'm referring to here..lol) He was the oldest of nine kids. (Lots of relatives) My brother lived 120 miles away and my sisters lived 700 and 4000 miles away. Where I live was central to the rest of the family that included people being 3000 miles away in the other direction. So the service was held here, in my town. Ironic to this day.

My sisters refused to say a single word to me when they came to the funeral. (That is still not the shunning story I'm referring to here, either... lol) My, then, wife was in good standing at the KH, and it was approved by the elders in her hall to allow the "after the funeral" gathering to be held at our house. However!!!!!!!........ (steam coming from my ears as I write this.....lol)

My dad's sister was a missionary in Africa in the past with her husband. They were/are major big-wigs in the JW religion including being fairly high up in Bethel. Her husband had never liked me, since I was very young. We had had a few very minor differences of opinion in the past but he was certainly very welcome in my home. This Uncle of mine decided (and my brother who had previously agreed with the elders' decision to have the gathering at my house) to push his weight around and prevented the gathering from being held at our house. It was held in the unfinished basement of the KH.... very respectful... instead. (My dad was on social assistance, had no savings/life insurance.. you know typical dub, so no one could afford a funeral home)

Shortly after the talk, a lot of my relatives that were non/ex-JW's wanted to come to my house to hang out. Word got around and the next thing you know EVERBODY, including my sisters (still not talking to me), brother and a lot of JW's were at my house. Guess who shows up??!!

Yup, the Uncle who said it would be disrespectful to Jehovah to have any goings on at terrible old Brad's house no longer had ANYBODY to talk to at the KH, so he comes to my house.... big fucking hypocrite. He is an arrogant prick who constantly needs his ego caressed, so he couldn't just go back to the hotel. He had to come to my house and shmooze.

Out of respect for my father and all the other relatives, I never said anything but it just goes to show how hypocritical they can be.

That felt good. Thanks.

Brad

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What is your most ridiculous example of being shunned?

by formerout in

i was just having lunch in a wendy's near my house an hour ago.

an elder and his wife entered and got in line to order without seeing me seated in the eating area.

after a minute the wife turned and saw me.

formerout

Here's a good one,

I was 16. My parents and I had moved 400 miles away from home so that my dad could go to a special doctor. We were living with my dad's parents. After 7 months, my parents had to move back home early and I stayed for a month to finish the school year.

I had been going to all the meetings, never got into any trouble whatsoever, but this one elder in my hall went around to four other fathers in two different KH's and convinced these fathers to not let their kids hang around me. He told them that I had too much freedom and I was a bad influence on them. He did this only AFTER my father had left town. I was not df'd, da'd, reproved and this "elder" did it all without even coming to say a word to me. It was completely of his own doing. Originally the fathers of my other friends went along with him.

Suddenly I had absolutley NO people to hang around with. I had lived in the town for only 7 months and I never made any "wordly" friends of course. Even at meetings, he never allowed his son to talk to me. The loneliness forced me into action... self-protection I guess.

I went to all the other dads, on my own, (my grandparents were extremely passive and could have been accused of being uncaring ) and reasoned with them that despite the fact that I may have had more freedom than their sons, I never did anything that was not allowed by them, the fathers.

Each and every one of the fathers that had been approached by the original elder began allowing their sons to hang around me. (They were all elders too.) Eventually the original elder's son began going behind his father's back to hang around us. (His dad would not let him go out if I was involved.)

Talk about an idiot elder. He caused his own son to disrespect him because he attempted to so unfairly control him.

Fortunately I was able and willing to stand up for myself and it turned out fine, but I can imagine how many others just accept the sh*t that these elders dish out.

Brad

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What is your most ridiculous example of being shunned?

by formerout in

i was just having lunch in a wendy's near my house an hour ago.

an elder and his wife entered and got in line to order without seeing me seated in the eating area.

after a minute the wife turned and saw me.

formerout

EyeKinCeeClearly,

What you have gone through is truly sad. I'm glad you are moving on with your life now in a positive way.

Brad