Posts by bjc2012

6

The 'beasts'

by kes152 in

jw
friends

j

bjc2012

Kes152,

Those verses in Revelation 13 have had no fulfillment yet.

bjc

15

Door To Door? Not At Heathrow!

by Englishman in

jw
friends

all this talk about whether door to door work is fruitful or not has really got me thinking.. so i was wondering, (a) how many jw's or ex's here were actually converted on the door, and (b) how many jw's or ex's here ever obtained a convert on the door?.

i made 2 converts whilst a jw, but 1 was the son of an interested person, the other was a wayward son of a weak sister so i get a zero.. my dad worked at london heathrow as an air traffic controller, he got 6 other controllers to join up, so if you're arriving in the uk, don't fly apostasy airways!

for all his frequent bouts of vac pioneering, i don't think that he ever pulled a live one off the doors, so he gets a zero too.. my mum was quite a puller in her time but they were all friends of friends who came to sit in on bible studies etc, so, sorry mater, you get a zero also.. as a matter of fact, i'm wondering if the door to door work isn't completely pointless!.

bjc2012

Hi Englishman,

My parents became JWs as a result of the door-to-door work. This was in 1948. In the southern USA at that time, this was the only way to gain converts. Almost no one had relatives who were witnesses as there were so few of them. I did aid two people to become JWs that I met in the door-to-door work. Of course, I have conducted many, many studies with individuals. I eventually realized that for every 10 or so Bible studies you conduct, you might get one convert. It was a very time consuming way to attract people as it would sometimes take two years of study with them before they made a decision to get baptized.

16

The Remnant Watchtower

by ozziepost in

this week's watchtower study article (feb 15 p23) should be re-named "the remnant manifesto"!.

a subliminal message centered on the use of the word "remnant" runs right through the article.. para 5: "a faithful remnant in ancient judah were to benefit.".

para 6: "so jehovah prospered the faithful remnant...".

bjc2012

Larc,

When have the 144,000 been together as a whole group? They can't be a remnant of something that has never existed as a whole.

16

The Remnant Watchtower

by ozziepost in

this week's watchtower study article (feb 15 p23) should be re-named "the remnant manifesto"!.

a subliminal message centered on the use of the word "remnant" runs right through the article.. para 5: "a faithful remnant in ancient judah were to benefit.".

para 6: "so jehovah prospered the faithful remnant...".

bjc2012

Ozziepost,

I'm still trying to figure out how these men can classify themselves as a 'remnant.' What were they originally a part of such that they could be said to be the remaining part of it? If they are the remnant who were released from Babylonish captivity, where is the larger part of the group who were left in captivity? Or, should I say who is the larger group that was left in captivity?

15

Seek Jehovah or His Organisation?

by ozziepost in

jw
friends

today's watchtower study (feb 15, p17) seeks to reassure jws that jehovah will take action against all opposers to the wtbts.. it states: "unscrupulous men slander jehovah's witnesses, branding them a 'dangerous cult'.

god is aware of their actions-and these will not go unpunished.

"(para 11).

bjc2012

Ozziepost,

They wrote:

"Jehovah's witnesses R&F are exhorted to remain faithful and to 'seek Jehovah'. How? Paragraph 5 states that "'Seeking Jehovah' today involves developing and maintaining a warm personal relationship with him in association with his earthly organisation."

So, now we know who our mediator is.

Now we

11

Hands up those who fear Jehovah

by dreamer in

this in response to logical's post 'hands up those who love jehovah' it was an interesting question, but i feel that my 'response' is more suited to another topic.

i think that one should refer to the bible to answer it though:.

exodus 12:29. jehovah kills all the firstborn of egypt.

bjc2012

Waiting,

Are you asking for an explanation of the Society's view of Armageddon? I don't remember reading anywhere in the bible where there is a description given of what will happen at Armageddon. Did I miss something? I'm not sure that the Witnesses even know what Armageddon really is all about. It could very well be about Jehovah's dealing with them as verse 12 of Revelation 16 talks about a 'bowl being poured out on the great river Euphrates.' This river ran through Babylon of old, so this could be a reference to the one who proves to be "Babylon the Great" in our day.

bjc

5

Bible Studys...

by TheApostleAK in

jw
friends

just found out tonite that my congregation currently has 13 bible studies happening at the moment.

and 11 of them are family member bible studys.

does anyone else on this board know the number of bible studys for their cong?

bjc2012

Kes152,

I think that you will find if you consider verse 9 of 1 Corinthians 13, that the witnesses are taking verse 10 out of context. Verse 9 reads: “For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially.” Paul was here saying that the first century Christians did not fully understand the prophetic scriptures (partial knowledge) so that their applications of prophesy was only a partial explanations of these scriptures. The prophetic scriptures were not fulfilled in their entirety upon 1st century Christians. There was only a partial fulfillment.

Revelation 10:7 says: “But in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.” This means that the complete fulfillment of these prophetic scriptures will occur in our day.

Paul was not referring to whether the written word was perfect or imperfect as the case may be. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not to this day understand anymore of the prophetic scriptures than did Paul in his day. To say that because the entire Bible had not been written down in Paul’s day and use this statement as the explanation for Paul’s statement that ‘his knowledge was partial’ is ludicrous. Paul and other 1st century writer were dealing with applying the already written scriptures to Jesus and themselves to explain what Jehovah was doing. And Paul was saying that he simply did not see the complete fulfillment of these written scriptures in his day. This complete fulfillment would then obviously be for another day and time.

bjc

11

Hands up those who fear Jehovah

by dreamer in

this in response to logical's post 'hands up those who love jehovah' it was an interesting question, but i feel that my 'response' is more suited to another topic.

i think that one should refer to the bible to answer it though:.

exodus 12:29. jehovah kills all the firstborn of egypt.

bjc2012

Logical,

Good point! Just to add to your thoughts, 1 John 4:18 says: "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love."

Dreamer:

If one has the type of fear (it's more like fright) that you are projecting with the scriptures you quoted, then this individual will never come to know Jehovah in order to learn to love him as he should. I think that every human knows that Jehovah has the ability to destroy all life on this planet if he so chooses, not only that but he, as Logical stated, has the right because he is the lifegiver. And if he so chooses, he can resurrect every human whose life he has taken.

The most important point is not whether God kills humans, but whether individuals believe that they are under obligation to obey their creator, to do what he says is right and so make a good name for themselves with Him.

Or, are we, as humans, in a position to find fault with God? At Job 40:1,2, (NIV) Jehovah asks this question: "Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him? Let him who accuses God answer him!" Do you know anyone who can do this?

bjc

7

Isaiah 9:6 (Who is this child?)

by 1ofMany in

is this verse not talking of jesus?.

if not please tell me.. if so, he's been given some pretty interesting names don't you think?.

does this not 'hint' that jesus is who evangelical christians believe he is?.

bjc2012

Hi 1ofMany,

Have you read Jesus' words at John 10:31-36, where he quotes from Psalms 82:6 in verses 34? Note that Jesus has reference to the rulers of Israel. Did not Jehovah tell Moses that he would be "God" to Aaron at Exodus 4:16, which says: "And he must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him?" Therefore, a human can be referred to as God in certain circumstances and it not be considered that this individual is the Almighty God Jehovah. There are 'many gods and many lords' as Paul tells us but Jehovah is the one judging all of them as Psalms 82:1 says: "God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges."

bjc

71

God's will or free will?

by thinker in

i've heard many people tell me about bible prophesy.

if the bible can predict future events then it stands to reason that those events are predetermined and man has no choices in this world.

think about all the choices you've made in your life and how different life for you would be if you had done things differently.

bjc2012

Reigninhell,

"Logically, Jehovah declaring everthing in creation "good" makes all our sins "good". Therefore why would we be punished for doing exactly what we are created to do?!?"

Wouldn't it depend on when this statement was made? If it was made before sin was introduced, then it would mean that the standard for what was expected of humans was determined. If it was made after sin was committed, then you have a point.