Posts by steve2

Absolutely agree. How refreshing if people just had the humility to say, "Hey, we don't really know, despite our repeated efforts to try to explain it." But, there are some things that I guess some people will never ever learn to say,including, "We're completely out of our depth", even after several wrong attempts at explaining things".

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watchtower red flags

by Ticker in

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when i was studying and in the org i never did put two and two together becuase first off it was peer pressure and a young baptism age.

i was indoctrinated as a child so i never got a chance to ever use sound reason and judgement toword the validity of the society's claims.

but anywho i was thinking the other day about certain things that are obvious red flags and far fetched claims that the org makes.

steve2

1. First off doesnt it seem a bit wierd that most of the anointed in the bible according to the watchtower live in the us and near pensylvania.

Yes, Ticker, I used to wonder about this too. As a New Zealander, I felt uncomfortable with the very bland, white American bias of the Watchtower. Sure, they don't get into politics; but given that, at least in the 1980s, most of the governing body were older white American men, you'd have to wonder about their claim to be free from "politics". Their very neutrality stamps them as reflections of whoever currently is in political power; in other words, neutrality is nver neutral, if you know what I mean.

You raise very good points. After I left the JWs in the early 1980s, an acquaintance of mine started studying with the JWs. She contacted me with some questions about them. I said to her that I didn't think she'd make a very good JW. Why not? she asked. Because, I said, your problem is you ask too many good questions and you really like to think things through. Needless to say, she did not become a JW - not so much because of what I said, but because she couldn't stifle those searching questions. Sounds like that's what a lot of us have in common!

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Books to give away!!!!! Free

by mouthy in

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"revelation.

grand climax at hand" (((yeah right.

"worldwide security under the prince of peace"(((except it was really under satan.

steve2

"The Time is at hand"1907
Thy Kingdom Come 1908
The New Creation 1904

Some book titles you just know are plain wrong and underscore the trigger-happy urgency of the Watchtower Society :

The Times is at hand and Thy Kingdom Come? Well, no, we're actually still here and it's almost one hundred years later.

The New Creation? No, it's at least 101 years old.

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Books to give away!!!!! Free

by mouthy in

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"revelation.

grand climax at hand" (((yeah right.

"worldwide security under the prince of peace"(((except it was really under satan.

steve2

"Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace"

How truly prophetic: Musicology has put him back on top in the last year! Prince is back! How could you possibly want to get rid of the book that foretold this?

Get lost Archangel Michael J.

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Do you think of yourself as an apostate

by barbar in

many of the people on this site say that they are apostates.

but that is not the way i feel about myself.. i am not angry with the "witnesses" or the organisation, i don't feel that i wasted my life.

i just think that i was stupid to believe it for 30 years (well sort of believe it, i did have severe doubts on and off).

steve2

I have departed from the teachings of the JW religion that I was raised in because I no longer believe those teachings and I also speak out against them. Therefore, I am an apostate. This puts me in the same company as Jesus and the apostle Paul who apostasized from Judaism.

What makes the word apostate more palatable is the history of Christianity is one in which one group after another after another after anothere has apostasized from the "mother" church.

Look at Charles Russell: The established churches of his day accused him of heresy (a "nicer" word than apostasy, some would say).

I eat you/you eat me/they eat us/they eat each other/we all eat eveybody else....

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Sometimes ya just need a giggle

by beebee in

too many trolls here lately, y'all need a giggle.

i got an email today with a bunch of funny bumper stickers but this one seemed so appropriate for this board.

seemed like it could apply to door knocking and trolling apostate websites.. okay, i thought i could post the image but i can't because i can't remember my password for ftp to my website (don't ask...lol) and i guess only pictures that can be plugged in have to be links to pics (makes sense now that i know it has to be on some web server).

steve2

Joke 1:

Q: What's the difference between a JW and a Ford Sedan?

A: At least you can close the door on a Ford Sedan.

(This is an old one - back in the days when the JWs were somewhat more persistent at the doors than they currently are). ___________________________________________________________

Joke 2: (Warning: R18)

A few months ago, I saw a greeting card in the retailers : It depicted two horrifed looking adult JWs, one male, the other female, fleeing, wide-eyed down the front path of a house towards the gate. The male householder was depicted as standing naked in the doorway, but wearing a huge, lascivious grin. He was gripping the butt of a dazed looking sheep that was backed into him and hence obscuring his genitals. The slogan read: "Norman went to great lengths to dissuade the Jehovah's Witnesses from ever calling again at his home."

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Some christian consciences have allowed

by IP_SEC in

atrolling we will go atrolling we will go.. another subject of this post could be: the devaluation of christian conscience in jehovah's witnesses.. you ever notice that the wt will sometimes print things that some christians can do with a clean conscience.

things that in the past were a big no no but now are ok?

since there are a lot of things i could do with a clean conscience: birthdays; smoke; oral sex; bla bla bla, could i use this reasoning as a defense?

steve2

There are so many tihngs that JWs "frown upon" that they must have very badly lined foreheads.

I love the way the watchtower says "this or that activity is over to the individual's conscience", when we know perfectly well that, if it became known that a JW's consceince allowed them to do it, he or she would be frozen out of the fellowship. That means, literally, there are some activities that the watchtower has never come right out and explicitly condemned, but we know that if a JW did it, he or she would be out. Hence, the watchower can say, "We have never said that is a disfellowshipping offence.

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JW is principal of a Pentecostal school?

by NeonMadman in

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what the heck?

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steve2

Questions, questions, questions:

I wonder why he was employed in the first place?

Did they not know he was a JW?

Did he not know it was a Pentecostal school?

How long has he been the principal at this school?

When did it begin to get problematic?

As a JW, presumably in good standing with the Watchtower, he would have to abstain from so many of the school's activities wouldn't he?

I wonder how others in his congregation feel about his being principal of a pentecostal school?

If the situation were reversed, and a Pentecostal was in a position of authority at a JW-run institution (examples? Bethel?), wouldn't eyebrows and tempers be raised?