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it was her birthday yesterday..... any ways, happy b-day mommy!!!.
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Happy belated birthday, Shera! (You look too young to have a daughter who can post to a board, let alone read!)
Enjoy. My mom's birthday is right around mothers day. Because of her beliefs, I cannot wish either happy b day or mom's day...so here's triple happy wishes from me!
i've often wondered, what was the real pupose of the global deluge?
what did it achieve?.
surely jehovah could just as easily have destroyed the nephilim as he did the cities of sodom and gomorrah?.
Yeah, I agree. Doesn't seem the most sensible way to do the job. What I really don't get is that all of the people in the world at that time, Noah and his family (just his wife)? were the only two people worth saving. Geeze, the world was obviously populated with more losers than today...
ok putting religious reasoning aside what is a rational reason why humans are viewed worth more than higher animals?
why is a human worth more than lets say a chimp, a pig or a cow?.
neurophysiological studies show that animals suffer probably just as much as humans....but similar to little children they cannot understand the pain and express it as human adults can.
And, almost forgot, in additional to having the capacity to experience emotional feelings, humans have the capacity to recall events/pain/emotions, etc. They also have the capacity to recall and record history, and hopefully, learn from it.
You may not think those are objective measures to determining humans worth over that of animals. I think it is clear they are. As I said, most people don't struggle too much with that concept.
Still chilling to me is the story of the US man and his girlfriend; he loved bears and actually went to live out in the woods with them. Friends of his said he actually seemed to favor bears over humans. He felt he and his girlfriend were safer among them than in human society. Sadly, the bears didn't return those "feelings." He had his girlfriend were mauled and eaten by a couple of hungry bears. Actually, the horror of their last minutes while being mauled were somehow recorded--haunting/horrible.
Again, animals act based on instinct, without thought, feelings, regret, any emotional connection. Humans have the capacity to feel; as most of us reading the bear story can testify. Most of us put ourselves into these people's unfortunate situation and cannot begin to imagine the horror.
ok putting religious reasoning aside what is a rational reason why humans are viewed worth more than higher animals?
why is a human worth more than lets say a chimp, a pig or a cow?.
neurophysiological studies show that animals suffer probably just as much as humans....but similar to little children they cannot understand the pain and express it as human adults can.
so i guess in this context what i would want to find is more like a consistant logical reasoning that puts all human life over animal life based on some measurement. if we could say for instance that we suffer more than animals than this would make it reasonable to conclude that tortuing animals is less problematic than torturing humans. if there is no measure that distinguishes all humans from animals than wouldn'T we have to apply the same laws for treating animals and humans?
Poor analogy with the ?torture? bit. Most human societies condemn the torture of animals: there are even laws against it. Native Americans held animal life in high esteem; yet they ate them. They did not kill them mercilessly or needlessly, but they ate them.
If you are stuggling as to why human life is more valuable to HUMANS than that of animals, I?m not sure that anyone can help you out here.
Objectively, animals are members of the food chain; a lion instinctively kills a weak zebra/baby zebra because he?s hungry. No thought, no guilt, no perception about relative value.
The very fact that humans have highly developed senses of right/wrong, they have conciences, they create incredible works of art, can appreciate beauty, can create the concept of GOD?these in part explain why a human life is worth more than a cat?s life. Humans have made incredible strides in figuring out ways to rise above primitive existence to make life better, healthier. They?ve utilized their capacity to discover complext theories that explains the world around them, to send men to other planets. What great achievements have animal made since the dawn of time (save for naturally and slowly evolving to ensure they survive?
Animals act based soley on instinct; little more. Humans act based on social norms, laws, the dictates of their conscience, feelings of love, etc. They usually suppress natural instincts because of an awareness of their responsibility toward other humans, which includes respect for other humans and human life.
Face it, humans are the most highly evolved, complex, intelligent form of life on earth. They have far more infinite emotional and mental capacity to experience love, pain, emotions...to understand the consequences of their acts and others' acts.
That?s in part, what makes my son worth more?to everyone?not just me-- than the family dog..
And my dog worth more than the family gold fish.
would you be willing, if possible, to volunteer to fight in iraq?.
are you encouraging your children or grandchildren to volunteer and fight?.
please list your names below.
i know communism would and will PROBABLY not work.
Well, based on it's track record, it HASN'T worked, so trying to resurrect it seems pretty futile. Castro's pretty much the last communist stronghold...and I hardly think you'd call the poverty stricken nation led by a brutal dictator, a success.
but there were societies were it worked pretty well. indians, tahiti, aborigines etc. it seems we as europeans are trained to need possessions. this is not necessarily the a principle of nature though.
Yes, society does evolve, doesn't it. The naked facts are that in industrialized, western nations people have a much higher quality of life, have a much higher life expectancy, mortality and morbidity among infants is astronomically lower than that of other more primitive cultures, healthcare vastly superior, the list goes on.
Posessions have ALWAYS been important to people. As you yourself claimed, most worse are fought over "econmics," translated: posessions. Over land (i.e., look at Israeli/Palistine conflict). What's that about? LAND.
Like it or no, communism doesn't work in modern day society, if it ever worked. The cultures you reference are based on a highly religious, structured model, where the Shaman, the spiritual leader, is the driving force. Communism, which is generally premised on the non-existence of religion and God, is devoid of this spiritual drive. For true communism to exist, in the form you suggest it, there must be a SPIRITUAL/RELIGIOUS driving force--a COMMUNITY force that glues all members. Just distributing all the "wealth" devoid of any spiritual or religious reason for doing so, is bound to fail.
Having lived in Europe and studied a bit about other cultures, the best life is one where we can achieve whereever our dreams drive us. Provide for our family, and hopefully, reach out to make other's lives better as well. That is why industrialized nations have longer life expectancy, better health, lower mortality, and can look beyond just bear subsistance to something higher.
I guarantee you that people in non-industrialized, western cultures are not sitting here discussing this. They are just trying to survive.
would you be willing, if possible, to volunteer to fight in iraq?.
are you encouraging your children or grandchildren to volunteer and fight?.
please list your names below.
seriosly...lennon sings of a society where all people give peace a chance...bush as well as bin laden.
Just curious: I've heard the song many times. Please explicate how Lennon outlines a specific strategy and tactic to achieve whatever you think the goal is. As memory serves, he says, no religion, no hell,...everybody's living in harmony. Don't recall any particular specfic references to communism or how to get their.
Guess I need to drop some acid to understand it.
... and we chose a politician instead.
prophetic words from wes clark before the senate armed services committe 9/23/2002:.
gen. clark: yes, sir.
Geeze, Louise...still cant figure why this site is deleting certain words and passages. It makes my posts undecipherable.
First, the grief stricken Iraqi's after finding the mass graves said "Where is Francex)? (x added so as not to be deleted)
Second, my comment was the Kerry has all of the fear of CLINTONx, but non of the charisma.
Hopefully, you can make out the rest.
... and we chose a politician instead.
prophetic words from wes clark before the senate armed services committe 9/23/2002:.
gen. clark: yes, sir.
Absent of those weapons it becomes difficult to respect or trust the President. It's kind of like a bait and switch. In some ways it's similar to the Watchtower Society. When what they said was going to happen didn't materialize they simply changed the message.
What people always seem to forget is that the REST of the world ALSO believed that Sadaam was a grave threat and DID have WMD. Saddam himself led the world to believe that he did. Decisions were made based on intel at the time, and made in a post 9/11 preventative effort mode. Prior to the invasion, REAL fears about Saddams ability to circulate biological terror through anthrax and other strains within the
It?s always easy to do armchair and after-the-fact quarterbacking.
I recall how angered and grief-stricken Iraqis, after the discovering of mass graves of the people that Saddam murdered saying to the TV cameras: ?Where was ?? In other words, how could oppose toppling this horrific, murderous dictator. We know know that had a great deal going with Saddam in the Oil for Food Program and other programs. People have short memories, apparently.
And the fact that thousands of persons (mostly Iraqis) have died based upon Bush's faulty and wrong decisions
So, what do you think about the mass graves of Iraqis discovered after Saddam was defeated? What about the torture, the rape rooms, the fact that Sadaam skimmed massive amounts of money from the Oil for food program, but somehow the FOOD never made it to the Iraqi people. This man was a murderous thug who supported terrorists and terrorism. I am sorry that you do not feel toppling this murderous dictator who made overt threats to the and other nations was worth it.
Clinton, Mr. Showman, was never brave enough to take defeating action. He was afraid of how he?d appear.
In my mind, Kerry has all the fear of , and none of the charisma. He?s not a leader. I don?t think that?s what this nation, post and PRE 9/11, needs.
And yes, you claim that "Kerry is only human." Well, so is Bush. A great leader makes tough decisions based on available information. They are not trying to win a popularity contest. Either at home or abroad.
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please say : yes...cause it's friday, late afternoon and i really hate drinking alone....let's get the weekend started right.
codeblue
So, I'll hope a plane to: French Polynesia, Society Archipelago (including Tahiti).
Sounds great!!!
what are some of the worst songs you've ever heard?
here's a list of mine: .
the memory remains - metallica.
From house to house, from door to door, la..la.la..la.la..la
(forgot the rest of the words)
