Posts by Bleep

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

Death is simply a way to pay for your sins.

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Is There a HELL ??

by 67mustang in

according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".

i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".

wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.

Bleep

Bona Dea wrote, "The lake of fire which also just happens to be the name of the place where those whose names are not found in the book of life will experience the second death (Rev 20:14,15)...doesn't sound like annihilation to me."

Me- That second death is everlasting cut off. No way of coming back from the dead. Sounds like annihilation to me. And that is coming from a Jehovah's Witness.

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Man, after all, creates gods in his own image.

by Bleep in

this is why i like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place.

those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here.

satan is behind it all of course.

Bleep

Robert_V_Frazier wrote, "There is no accurate knowledge available from the Watchtower."

Me - Are you willing to back up that statement of NO accurate knowledge, or are you just trying to be funny?

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Ray Franz has anyone read Crisi of Conscience?

by 67mustang in

i am interested in ray franz.

can anybody comment on him?

i've heard rumors, but partial ones from jw's.

Bleep

Lieu wrote, "Bleep is 29 yrs old and has found that "it" (he/she) has less knowledge and understanding about the Bible than the atheists on this site. "It" is upset."

Me - Only someone who is castrated is an It. Most people who know that they are doing wrong will try to discredit a person. Assuming that I have less knowledge about the Bible might be an overstep on your part. I am in no way upset but I am backing up my God as he is happy when I do. If you were to look at my profile you will see I am a brother from Pittsburgh. You don't know that so why make an ussumption I have no understanding? Farkel has come into my topics and made some people come to that misunderstanding as well.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

Sleepy wrote, "Therefore any God who created this type of universe created so that you can not make definate predictions."

Me- The Bible makes predictions and all have come true. The other predictions (prophecy) in Revelation will also come true. I agree that man can not predict anything since they cannot direct one step.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

Farkel said, "Why didn't you quote Jan's entire comment? I'll tell you why. Because his entire comment shows why you wouldn't quote his entire comment, Dip%!#*:"

Me - I directed his quote to a new topic indeed!

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A question for Bleep

by JT in

when bleep was asked has he read rays' book he responded.

bleep says:.

"i have not read the publication since i have many other publications that are fruitfull and benificial for true christians".

Bleep

JT asks, "Then why do you come here to a site like this to read basically the same thing you would read in Rays' book and that is an Open discussion of the WT"

Me- I am welcome as much if more so since this site is named after my God Jehovah. Just a lucust doing his job and a good job at that!

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Man, after all, creates gods in his own image.

by Bleep in

this is why i like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place.

those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here.

satan is behind it all of course.

Bleep

JanH said, "I appreciate that my message has made you realize the errors of your ways, and that ancient gods like Ba'al, Zevs, Jehovah or Vishnu are all made in the image of man, and that says something very bad about man!"

Me - You misunderstood the reason I made this post. You think I realized the errors from this?

This is why I like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place. Those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here. Satan is behind it all of course.

Satan is behind it not Jehovah. Jehovah wants all to come to an understanding of him and his way of truth. Satan on the other hand wants people to worship anyone but the true God.

Haste makes waste JanH.

Thanks ozzie for some clearity and truth. The Bible points us to the errors of our ways and not man. I and other true Christians have alot of work to do using that Bible.

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Man, after all, creates gods in his own image.

by Bleep in

this is why i like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place.

those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here.

satan is behind it all of course.

Bleep

This is why I like to help those come to an accurate knowledge in the first place. Those that agree that there has been so many god's that have been worshiped can post here. Satan is behind it all of course.

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Could man have free will if God cansee the future?

by sleepy in

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some witness theological beliefs are, man has free will, god can see the future.. i used to wonder how this could work.for if god could see you were going to do something then you must do it, otherwise god is wrong, so therefore you had no choice.. take judas for example.jesus is believed to have known he would be betrayed by him.in fact it is suppossed to have been prophesied in psalms that someone close to him would do so.. if god could see that judas would kill jesus then once this predicion was made judas had no choice no free will to choose not to.so either god can't really see the furture and can just make predictions or man has no free will.if when god looks into the future this causes an event to happen , its gods fault if he see something bad happening , as if he didn't look it would not have been set in stone.. if it is predictions that god makes (not acktual knowledge of what will happen)then what are these based on?.

knowledge of the human brain and how it works?if so, then man actions are purly based on mechanisms within the brain that are so rigid that you with enought knowledge can know them thousands of years before.so if mans sins it not his fault , theres nothing he can do about it , he has no free will.so god is not just in punishing him.. whichever way it does not work out as fair or logical that a god could see the future and for man to have free will..

Bleep

JanH said, "For all intents and purposes, you worship Satan, an immensely evil deity."

Me - Wow that is a strange comment indeed! Do you have any more comments to add that might clear up this Bible topic?