Something is lost in translation here. There’s a disconnect between the ownership of agency and the efficacy of agency. “to direct” is an infinitive, which is a noun, in the same way that ‘way’/path is a noun. What this English translation literally says, if Brooklyn would stay out of it for a second, is that ‘man does not have ownership/possession over the verbal noun which means the directing of his own steps.’ Literally, these two sentences have nothing to do with making a judgement as to man’s pability to direct his own steps. And since Jeremiah’s statement is already premised on belief in a more powerful being, he could, for the sake of argument, be telling Jehovah in perfect irony that he acknowledges God’s right to tell man that man does not own man’s governance, without actually believing that man is incapable of governance.
Posts by rmt1
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13Mankind doesn't have the ability to govern himself, true or false?
by JH injeremiah 10:23.
23 i well know, o jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong.
it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.
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In a fear- inspiring way I am adequately made
by toby888 inwhat i have learned from evolution, heh heh.
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rmt1
Good word choice. Adequate, from pp of adaequare, to make equal to. Still, I have to admit, and creationists can get all medieval on this, but I haven't yet heard a good evolutionary explanation for the storage capacity of our brains that sometimes appears to be 'excess' to the necessity of the environment. Is it excess? adequate? wonderful? C'est l'e'ternite' dans leur coeurs? Anyway, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4251299.stm
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How many more years before no one believes in God?
by JH in.
do you think there will come a time, where no one will believe in god or even talk about him?.
children at school aren't taught religion any more around here since years.. so, how long do you think it will take before no one talks about god anymore?
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The belief that an incorporeal religiously and morally obligating authority figure exists beyond our observation is inversely proportional to knowledge base. GOD is the big answer at the end of the monster book when we are unable 'to bravely not know what every man has known before'. The absenses or interstices in our knowledge are like the pressurized cavity of a submarine. The wish for simplicity, the despair of no one having easy answers, causes G O D to rush into these cavities of knowledge like the Thresher in concrete galoshes. Some TIME article argued that monothesim is favored for selection by evolution. If so, it seems unlikely that evolution would abandon a working strategy: internalizing/endogenizing believers will statistically sustain reproduction vis a vis declining birth rates in externalizing/exogenizing individuals/states/nations where dopamine oops G O D is not up the dendrites.
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anyone ever wonder whether IT could be the TRUTH?
by Cordelia ini cant believe im posting this either!.
but ive got a huge decision to make wont go thru it all again its on my last thread, and i have decided that i am stopping going to the meetings completly (ive been dfed 7 months and because i didnt want to hurt my family even more i continued going to all the meetings and hid my boyfriend, wno was wonderful about it, put a letter of reinstatement in which they refused but relised by the way i paniked when i thought they might reinstate me that it is not what i want!).
i love my bf and want to be with him without any secrecy but i also want my family to accept him and still speak to me but i know that will not happen, so i have two choices either get reinstated and then leave (and risk losing mybf) or tell them now i dont want it and stop the meetings altogether before i go insane.. thing is to be free of the meetings and be with my bf, i will lose my family they are all so strong in the 'truth' they will not have any contact with me and my husband is divorcing me so ill lose finacially and my house and have to share time with my daughter, not to mention all my old friends who are wanting me back, and if i stop now all those months of trying to be reinstated will be wasted id be set right back,.
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"Truth" is not an infantile surrender to a Lacanian FATHER with his Cleaver-ly promises, but a very uncomfortable, ceaseless, knawing worry that human morality is constructed, and/or that the individual is most perfect and least sinless when they do not abrogate their own reasoned judgment on what is right or wrong. Need it be said this is all mercurial and relative like an Archimedes without a fulcrum? Welcome to the terror of being "in the World." The fear of death by an inflammation of the Armageddon ("apocolitis") quickly begins to pale in significance next to the sheer joy of having in your own hands the entire remainder of your life, however little they have left you (or much, if you're very lucky).
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Thesis defense
by ChrisVance intomorrow is my master's thesis defense.
i've been working on my master's degree in applied linguistics for three years.
i'm really nervous in spite of the fact that the defense has nothing to do with my grade.
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Any exdub that gets this far has all my admiration and positive envy. Good luck. Bona fortuna. (I used to say "God speed" when concluding the 5-min service meeting before heading out for the 15 minutes of service that preceded the coffee break.) God speed, if you truck with that, etc.
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Do stupid people have more children? What are the implications?
by AlmostAtheist inno offense to those with large families (and no compliment to those with small ones), this is a thread speaking of averages and groups, not specific people and families.
your mileage may vary.
dealer participation will affect consumer cost.
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Suburban sprawl, the housing boom (a key financial index for the GDP), HUD, all have a stake in the number, proximity and density of idiots who will make you desire to change locations to simulate control over your environment. If you look at land prices, you can be certain that the investors are rubbing their hands at the number of idiots that are available to pressure-cook the others and make hardworking people flee in terror. (Not talking about southerly migration to the sun belt; that's different.) It's like adding fuel to their fire. This is besides the fact that maintaining the over-saturation of entry-level idiots means that those who can get smarter are FORCED to get smarter: no more of the Cleaver era getting a job out of high school and supporting a big family. Idiots are the oxidizing atmosphere (more) in which the non-idiots (fewer) are burned so as to drive the economy.
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Do we imitate Jehovah---think about it
by TopHat insomething i have thought about mankind in general recently.
we have love, compassion, creativity, but we also have jealously and revenge in our hearts.
satan wants to imitate god too.
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A humble attempt at deprogramming... Imagine that someone saves your life. You "owe" them your life. Then they attempt to compell you to kill someone. You do not |owe| them obedience. Imagine that a computer scientist created an artificial intelligence that was smart enough to understand that it "owed" its existence, consciousness, sentience, what have you, to its coder, author, writer, creator. Then the scientist ordered it to kill people, other machines, yell fire, sing karioke, what have you. Just because the machine has received a command, it does not |owe| something, anything to its creator. "owe" is a human idea, a human mental tally sheet having to do with an expectation of returned generosity. It all starts with what we give out first. I give you labor, you "owe" me a paycheck. I the government give you protection, roads, services, you the population "owe" me the government some return service. "owe" does not exist anywhere in any time as any thing. It is a purely hypothetical mental construct. Look around - you will not find "owe" anywhere. Imagine that an invisible advanced alien creates the human race and demands to be called "Jehovah". The human race "owes" it its life. Then it tells the humans to kill some other intelligent race, say, Jebusites. Humans do not |owe| such a service to its creator, but may very fricking well be aware that they'll be exterminated themselves for noncompliance. As long as you can get down to the primitive BIOS of the belief about "owing", that there is no such thing as "owing", but there is entirely and only and exclusively the concept that you can be exterminated by the creator you "owe", argumentum ad baculum, THEN, you have a chance of getting back even farther and seeing that there is no moral quotient, no moral kernal, no moral nugget, to this idea of "owing" any one, from "God" to "Satan" to Niel Diamond. If a grey-alien "Jehovah" is parked over the earth with his finger on the floodgates of an Armageddon, we STILL don't "owe" him one damn thing. Recognizing this is one good step to reverse the cult's programming.
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Is there anthropological evidence proving the Nephilim's existence?
by truthseeker ini've had this question is my mind for a while now, but has there been any skeletal remains discovered that could prove the existence of the nephilim?.
there's so many unanswered questions about these giants - first of all, were they really hybrids?.
secondly, if the demons could materialise and procreate, how do we not know that they gave their children the same reproductive powers?.
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global flood = silly. Black Sea freshwater basin being flooded by the Mediterranean due to melting glaciers after the last Ice Age (in our very own Holocene) gouging through modern Bosperous circa 5000bc = plausible.
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Why is the "end of times" prospect attractive...
by Narkissos inor, perhaps, why was it attractive to you at some stage of your life?.
intense suffering might be the right answer in exceptional cases, but hardly for vast numbers (such as most early christians or modern-day cult members).. what then?
fear of life?
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Freud in "Beyond the Pleasure Principle" talks about (appx) how the biologic organism has a trajectory towards death (not Jungian thanatos but similar) that it keeps trying to reach, except that it accidentally reproduces sexually and so perpetuates itself. Essentially, our conscious lives are a persistent unconscious repeating attempt to cancel out the unfathomable, unbearable intensity of existence (die) but we consciously keep short circuiting this primitive drive in the effort to consciously find a *better* way, means, method, status, position of dying. IE: we repeatedly accidentally DONT die because we repeatedly consciously try to die better - with a better income, better house, better pension, larger family, more friends, more political power, etc, et al.
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Is there anthropological evidence proving the Nephilim's existence?
by truthseeker ini've had this question is my mind for a while now, but has there been any skeletal remains discovered that could prove the existence of the nephilim?.
there's so many unanswered questions about these giants - first of all, were they really hybrids?.
secondly, if the demons could materialise and procreate, how do we not know that they gave their children the same reproductive powers?.
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In the Paleolithic, there were "egalitarian" societies. There were not enough resources around for any one authority figure to begin hoarding them. Since society subsisted with such small margins for error, no one could hoard things to the extent of endangering another's survival without endangering his very own. I.E. "egalitarian" societies. In the Neolithic, society's subsistence had gained a larger margin for error and there were now a greater range and backup of resources. Now society could afford it if any one individual began to hoard resource, because his personal/family survival was not threatened because most had some form of basic subsistence. However, those fit to hoard were those naturally bigger, stronger, and sometimes combined with shrewder. "Egalitarian" gave way to "big-man" societies. He was not exactly a chief or king, whose temporal power begins to require a greater proportion of shrewdness - this is a primitive stage of authority which is only slightly removed from "egalitarian" subsistence. Giants that appear in mythology, Greek, Hebrew, Norse, etc, might be remembering a pre-chieftain sort of hoarder whose power was based more proportionately on physical girthiness than on shrewdliness. (KOL)