Attendance at the "memorial" each year brings out droves of what have been called "submarine" jws, people who come up only once a year and then don't come back till next year. When you compare the numbers of people counted as having turned in some time reported to WTS, there is a vast difference.
Posts by blondie
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8January 2023 Study Watchtower - both sides of the mouth!
by BoogerMan ini've added to it in bold letters:.
january 2023 study watchtower, page 20, pars.
1 - 3.. almost 2,000 years ago, jesus gave his life in our behalf, opening the way for us to gain everlasting life.
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God Has Only One Visible Organization on Earth!
by Vanderhoven7 inwhy is it important to some that god only have one visible organization to represent him on earth?
why is it important to jehovah's witnesses that people recognize their organization as such?
what makes a witness more moral or righteous or save-worthy if they accept that it is his one and only organization?
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blondie
Watchtower makes the claim that "Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way." (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p.192) If that is the case, how were they guided and organised during the dark ages? What group represented God's organization immediately prior to the formation of the Watch Tower Society in the 1884 by Charles Russell, and why didn't Russell just follow them?" The word "organization" does not appear in the bible. An excellent discussion of the concept "organization." https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/organization.php
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New Release: Bible Teach book and new light on 1914
by JoeGeneration in"new light!
(looking for opinions on this line of reasoning)
the basis for doing away with the 1914 doctrine may have been laid in this new book.
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blondie
Since the WTS has dropped teaching in print that a "creative" day is 7,000 literal years long, starting around 1987 "1987 WT last used this definition "Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long.", jws no longer have a way to calculate 1914 using the formula the WTS used to determine the length of the 7th day from so-called accurate history in the bible. Now they say "thousands and thousands of years." 2021 "So each of the six creative “days” during which God prepared the earth for life and created life on it could represent extremely long periods of time." Under "Creative Day" in the current Insight book "it may reasonably be concluded that each of the six creative periods, or days, was at least thousands of years in length."
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The length of a public talk
by Farmer Jim1 indoes anyone ever wonder the good they could have done instead of giving a public talk for 45 or 30 minutes?
i remember giving my first public talk aged 18 and even then i was thinking ' this is just me making up half truths trying to blind people with jw propaganda'.
fast forward 15 years to when i gave my final public talk and i was so close to seeding the 30 minutes with ideas that could possibly wake people up but i never had the guts.. in that 30 minutes i could have done so much real good for a person instead of spreading this awful religions dogma.
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blondie
I anticipate that eventually there will be video public talks recorded and used instead of in person speakers. Even with the so-called school, there are very few really "good" speakers. Not that the videos of the GB show much quality.
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Atlantis, glad to hear you're back
by blondie indo you have something other than that zip link.
hope you feeling fine..
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blondie
Do you have something other than that zip link. Hope you feeling fine.
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Current Meeting Attendees
by blondie indoes anyone know what publication is being studied at the midweek meetings.
i used to know but it has flown out of my brain.
it is treating some of past issues that were once taught by the wts or have seen material that questions it.
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blondie
Does anyone know what publication is being studied at the midweek meetings. I used to know but it has flown out of my brain. It is treating some of past issues that were once taught by the WTS or have seen material that questions it. I would really appreciate it.
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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today
by enoughisenough ini am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.
i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.
in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.
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blondie
"I wonder if I could have refused the role at that moment?" I know of 5 men that turned down being an MS in that meeting, 6 that turned down being an elder. Of course, their spirituality status dropped considerably. Even if an elder says he can no longer handle his family responsibilities, the other elders try to talk him out of it, saying they neglect their families too and that is a sacrifice their family has to make. Also, technically, an elder can't decide on his own to stop being an elder; he has to be permission of the BOE to do so. One elder, said that do what you have to do, but when you announce the start of the Ministry School, I won't get up on the stage, and that will be very embarrassing for you. Well, they decided to give him "permission" but he was viewed with suspicion after that.
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Did you ever meet someone born in the 1800’s?
by Fisherman ini met freddie franz who was born in the 1880’s and many others from the 1880’s.
but as a very small child i remember someone very old aged 106 and that person was born around 1856 which means that he was around people from the 1700’s..
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blondie
My grandfathers, was stunned to think I knew someone born in the late 1800's. But then were born in the early 1890's. Even still, the world changed drastically in 1914 from the previous days before (not using the 1914 doctrine here). Even on-jw historians say that 1914 was a turning point in world history. I was amazed to meet people who had lived when there were no planes, and bought a plan and flew it without a license, who had met Charles Lindbergh before he was famous.
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1985 and baptism...I wish I had read this before today
by enoughisenough ini am posting a link as to being legally bound to jw rules at time of baptism.
i only did a quick skim, but what i gathered is interesting, and what it says about 1985 may be of use to some hoping to just fade and not be bothered.
in 1985, the questions were changed at baptism for legal purposes so they could have causation to defend themselves should you decide to sue for whatever reason.
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blondie
Here is a post I made some time ago which in the Opening Comments it lists several changes in the baptism questions: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/112946/comments-you-will-hear-5-7-06-wt-study
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Is This New?
by Lost in the fog init is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.
going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.
but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!
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blondie
The Watchtower definition of fornication (porneía) has changed over the years, and quite illogically homosexuality and bestiality were not grounds for divorce in the 1970's then 1983, a complete flip.
Watchtower 1983 12/15 p.27
"That fornication (which in the Bible sense includes adultery and gross sexual immorality such as homosexuality) can break up a marriage. Scripturally, the innocent partner has the right to divorce the guilty one and remarry without sin in God’s eyes."Watchtower 1/1/1972 p. 32
While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual “one flesh” with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate.