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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

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  2. friends

  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  blondie

  WT 2021 October p.20 "In contrast, true worshippers of Jehovah have no clergy. Although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept Jesus’ clear teaching: “All of you are brothers.”"

  ijbq Article 92 point 6: In contrast, true worshippers of Jehovah have no clergy. Although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept Jesus’ clear teaching: “All of you are brothers.”

  or WT 1994 8/15 p. 11 "In contrast, the Witnesses have no paid clergy"

  No "paid clergy" isn't "no clergy" except in a quibbly legal way of looking at.

  Yet the WTS claims confidentiality under the clergy-penitent basis as to reporting child abuse cases to secular authorities identifying themselves as "clergy." "In 2020 the Ivy Hill Jehovah’s Witnesses congregation in Philadelphia asked a Commonwealth Court to officially rule elders have clergy-penitent privilege. The court denied the request, leaving the elders’ status undefined."https://casetext.com/case/ivy-hill-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses-v-pa-dept-of-human-servs
  

  
  So which is true can both be true?
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  What has the WTS said about the beasts of Revelation?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are 2 wild beasts mentioned in revelation, the scarlet-colored wild beast which is the image of “the wild beast or currently the un (previously the league of nations).” i will note that it is hard to search for this information in the wol and there has been dramatic decrease of the mention of the un since 1990 (watchtower online library) the wild beast= wt 2012 6/15 p.18 “the wild beast, satan’s earthly political setup, will be goaded into an attack on god’s kingdom.”.

  scarlet-colored wild beast=image of the wild beast= league of nations=un.

  revelation book chapter 28 p. 195 “since world war ii, the image of the wild beast​—now manifested as the united nations organization—​has already killed in a literal way.

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  blondie

  There are 2 wild beasts mentioned in Revelation, the scarlet-colored wild beast which is the image of “the wild beast OR currently the UN (previously the League of Nations).” I will note that it is hard to search for this information in the WOL and there has been dramatic decrease of the mention of the UN since 1990 (Watchtower Online Library) THE WILD BEAST= WT 2012 6/15 p.18 “the wild beast, Satan’s earthly political setup, will be goaded into an attack on God’s Kingdom.”

  SCARLET-COLORED WILD BEAST=IMAGE OF THE WILD BEAST= LEAGUE OF NATIONS=UN

  Revelation book chapter 28 p. 195 “Since World War II, the image of the wild beast​—now manifested as the United Nations organization—​has already killed in a literal way.

  1954--This scarlet-colored wild beast represents a combination of nations, as the League of Nations was and the United Nations is.

  2012 WT 6/15 p. 18 “This organization appeared after World War I and was known as the League of Nations. It disappeared with the onset of World War II. During that war, God’s people declared that according to the prophecy in Revelation, the image of the wild beast would ascend again. And rise it did​—as the United Nations.​

  2022 May WT study article p. 10: “the image of the wild beast” and is described as “an eighth king.” This “king” is spoken of as coming into existence, then going out of existence, and later reappearing. How well this description fits the United Nations organization, which promotes the interests of the worldwide political system! It existed first as the League of Nations. Then it went out of existence during World War II. It later emerged again in its present-day form.

  WILD BEAST (NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE IMAGE OF THE WILD BEAST OR SOMETIMES REFERRED TO THE SCARLET-COLORED WILD BEAST)==LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THEN UN, THEN

  WILD BEAST=SATAN’S EARTHLY POLITICAL SET UP

  WT 2012 6/15 p.18 “the wild beast, Satan’s earthly political setup, will be goaded into an attack on God’s Kingdom.”

  WT 1988 1/1 P. 16 “And a third warns against worship of “the wild beast,” Satan’s political system of things.”

  IJWBQ ARTICE 74 “According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea. (Revelation 13:​1, 17, 18) This beast is a symbol of the worldwide political system, which rules over “every tribe and people and tongue and nation.”

  7 HEADS

  1) EGYPT

  2) ASSYRIA

  3) BABYLON

  4) MEDO-PERSIA

  5) GREECE

  6) ROME

  7) BRITAIN & US

  More information on why the WTS has mentioned the UN far less often since 1990 and has been complimentary check this out. https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nations-association.php
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  Revelation book

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
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  do you remember the jw.org book of revelation and how many times we had to study it?

  in retrospect, all those hours turned out to be for nothing, the explanation of the prophecies is now completely outdated..

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  PON

  I do think that being "naked" would get one in trouble and maybe under a full moon because more likely others might see you. But pogo-sticking would probably get a pass unless some over-righteous jw complains to the elders, who are wusses and will give into that jw with the outrageous idea to "keep the peace." :)
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  Official WT 800-page Shunning Manual ??

  by Chevelle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone have a pdf copy of the 800-page book (or reference manual?

  ) "jehovah's witnesses and disfellowshipping"?.

  https://youtu.be/fxpdodqlut8.

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  blondie

  Reminds me of how the WTS split up info on embarrassing events in many different places in the Proclaimers book.
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  Curtailing zoom

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  co visit, so right from the horse's mouth ( or somewhere).

  too many are staying on zoom, missing face to face encouragement.

  look for the elders to implement changes.. also people at the door are so receptive and glad to see us.

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  blondie

  I have checked with an ex-jw that has files on the letters sent to the elders. Perhaps they can find something and will post it here.
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  blondie

  The WTS used to say they did not have to report it to the police, because it was a sin not a crime per their interpretation of the bible. Now the WTS hides behind the clergy-penitent law/status, although the accused jw does not just confess to one person (who keeps it to themselves, does not share it, like confession to a priest) but the elders make a report that other elders know it and send it to WT headquarters). Add to that the WTS proclaims they don't have a clergy class. Yes, before elders do anything about a child sexual abuse situation, it is Call Legal, Call Legal, Call Legal, not the service desk (renamed Branch Office) to get advice. So the WTS really sees it as a crime, if the elders are to call Legal first. WT 2021 October p. 20 In contrast, true worshippers of Jehovah have no clergy. Although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept Jesus’ clear teaching: “All of you are brothers.” (Matt. 23:8-10)
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  I'm worried about Peaceful Pete

  by Phizzy in

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  2. friends

  does anyone know "pete" personally, or have a way of contacting him ?

  he has not posted for about a month now.

  i just want to know he is o.k..

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  blondie

  This is the last post I can find by him: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5137223947649024/gods-first-creation I knew him years ago, but haven't kept in contact and can't remember his real name. If someone knows it, google it and find him if possible, but don't share personal info on this public page. PM it instead.
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  July 2023 Study Article 29: Are You Ready for the GT (part 3)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  had to take a break to get my chores caught up; last section: strengthen your love.

  this implies that any jw had "real" love or knew what it was outside the wts definition.

  many jws just perpetuate the type of love they were show in their congregation.

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  October 2019 Watchtower p. 16 (the key scripture for researching this is Rev 16:21 for other similar comments)(quite a few weasel words, likely, may, may, we have to wait and see, seems

  During the great tribulation, the message that we proclaim will likely change. Currently, we are preaching the good news of the Kingdom and we are endeavoring to make disciples. But at that time, we may well deliver a message as hard-hitting as hailstones. (Rev. 16:21) We may proclaim the impending doom of Satan’s world. In time, we will find out exactly what our message will be and how we will deliver it. Will we use the same methods we have used for over a hundred years to accomplish our ministry? Or will we use some other methods? We will have to wait and see. In any case, it seems that we will have the privilege of boldly proclaiming Jehovah’s judgment message!​

  Here's another good one from W15 7/15 p. 16: This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.” That time will have passed. The time for “the end” will have come! (Matt. 24:14) No doubt God’s people will proclaim a hard-hitting judgment message. This may well involve a declaration announcing that Satan’s wicked world is about to come to its complete end. The Bible likens this message to hailstones when it says: “Great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent, fell from heaven on the people, and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, for the plague was unusually great.”​—Rev. 16:21.
  
  
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  July 2023 Study Article 29: Are You Ready for the GT (part 3)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  had to take a break to get my chores caught up; last section: strengthen your love.

  this implies that any jw had "real" love or knew what it was outside the wts definition.

  many jws just perpetuate the type of love they were show in their congregation.

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  Diogenesister, "‘if JWs aren’t friendly now when it’s favorable season, what makes you think they would be friendly or helpful during the GT?’ I was inclined to believe this as well." I actually asked two elders this and they had no answer except to reach out myself. I left 2 years later. I did tell them if jws now would not change, I had no confidence they would change in the GT. Interestingly, the WTS teaches that when the GT starts, no more trying to convert people, that they are judged worthy of everlasting death. I told them that many self-identified jws might be surprised when Armageddon comes at the end of their definition of the GT, those people won't make it. They did not disagree.
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  All UK telephone landlines being phased out.....

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  .....and replaced with voip by 2025. https://www.pmctelecom.co.uk/blog/are-landline-phones-being-phased-out-in-2025/.

  just heard this on a radio station's advert..

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  blondie

  I wonder now someone can call a KH to get info from. Is the WTS/KH going to provide cellphone numbers instead?