I do remember in the 1970's a different definition came out about "sacred service" that is more than official preaching. (see 1977 WT p.466 "Thus a woman’s devoted care for her family is a part of her sacred service, since Jehovah has given her that assignment. And she should be whole-souled in carrying it out as befits an assignment from God. (Prov. 31:15, 27) The same is true of the husband, for he must carry out his assigned role to provide things needful and to give loving oversight to the family. So wives’ obedience to husbands, husbands’ love for wives, children’s obeying parents—all should be whole-souled to be pleasing to Jehovah." "It was said that Ray Franz authored this article. Interestingly, the WTS rescinded definition in 1980, about the time Ray Franz was asked to leave Bethel (not df'd though). And the WTS printed the change in 1980 WT 8/15 (21-26) p. 23 "By those words does the apostle Paul mean that all things that we now do as Christians become “sacred service” (lat·reiʹa) because of our having a different viewpoint respecting these things? Why should that be the case? When we eat, drink and sleep and do things that all other humans are obliged to do to live, whom are we really serving? Ourselves, naturally. Yes, when we now do those things, we have God’s glory in mind. Hence, we do not overeat to the point of sickness or gluttony; we do not drink alcoholic beverages to the point of drunkenness; we do not regularly sleep too much to the point of laziness or slothfulness. Yet now when we eat, drink, sleep under the religious name of Christian witnesses of Jehovah, the same as all other humans do under their religious names, does this of itself transform these basic, essential acts of human living into “sacred service”? No..."
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83Thought on “0 hours” reporting
by FFGhost inso everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.
the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?
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Thought on “0 hours” reporting
by FFGhost inso everyone knows the “big news” of this past weekend, no more reporting of hours, placements, return visits, etc.
beginning november 1, jws just tick a box indicating whether they “shared in any form of the ministry during the month”.. so there was a brief comment by a redditor that seems like a brief joke “throwaway comment” but after thinking about it….why not?.
the idea is, what is “any form of the ministry”?
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blondie
If I remember correctly, if there is a 2/3 majority on the elder body vote, the minority elders must support the majority decision, thus it becomes unanimous. Probably same with GB.
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Real reasons behind this change?
by Gorb injust a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.
a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?
maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?
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blondie
I was wondering, if you mark "active" does that applies to baptized or jws or unbaptized publishers too? As to counting bible studies still, the COBOE in one congregation analyzed how individual bible studies were conducted in the congregation. Only 3 were not with children, only one reached baptism and was shortly df'd a year later. I can see why the WTS is taking a closer look at this. I found that too many jws that had a good conversation with someone, took their info and then handed it to a pioneer or elder to follow up on. The person said they were too busy to commit to the time each week (and effort) to study with the person. Few jw parents had bible teaching of their own children, sometimes turning them over to another adult jw to do that chore.
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Real reasons behind this change?
by Gorb injust a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.
a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?
maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?
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With no reporting necessary do they still need a territory guy?
by carla innow that they no longer have to report hours do they still need a territory guy?
maps?
etc...?.
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blondie
I would say they would continue using territory maps, just not counting time. Otherwise, some people might be called on by one group and then another the same week.
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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!
by BoogerMan inthis is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
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blondie
Without hourly quotas, how will the elders/WTS know who is worthy of special privileges? Without counting time, the WTS will not have much to put in the annual report, if they do that any more. Many jws have been faking their time anyway. I wonder if they stop taking attendance? So what advantage is it nowadays to be a pioneer? I would ask there is nothing in the New Testament that disciples were required to count time, etc. Wow!
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The org: Coal calling the kettle black! #2
by BoogerMan in"the generally accepted definition of propaganda is this: an organization for the propagation of a doctrine or system, the purpose of which is to cause the membership of the system or organization to increase or enlarge.
religious organizations engage in propaganda, because each system of religion tries to increase its membership.
the work of jehovah’s witnesses for his kingdom is entirely a different matter.
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blondie
https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/organization.php
"(2) Beware of "organization." It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day."
Watchtower 1895 Sep 15 reprints p.1866."The test of membership in the New Creation will not be membership in any earthly organization, but union with the Lord as a member of his mystical body;" Millenial Dawn - The New Creation (1904) p.74
Following Russell's death, Rutherford proceeded to enforce an organisational structure upon Watchtower followers. In 1919, congregations were to "register as a service organization within the Society..." (Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose p.95), moving congregational control under international direction. In 1920, it became a requirement to report participation in witnessing. Direction of the preaching work became the reasoning behind a stricter organisational structure.
"The efficiency with which the witness must be given of necessity depends largely upon the organized efforts made in the field." Watchtower 1922 Dec 15 reprints p.389
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Cult or High Control Group?
by MillennialDawn ini see this phrase a lot: "the indication of a cult is what happens when you leave.
" i'm not sure where that originated, but it is a faulty categorization.
"cult" is almost always used in a derogatory way.
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blondie
I agree Phizzy, the word "cult" triggers people, especially jws to stop listening. But "high control group" can open the door to listening. When I first stopped going, I had a hard time using the word "cult" and instead said high control group. I resisted saying cult. But then I read Steve Hassan's BITE model and I had to admit that the WTS checked off many of the traits listed there. Privately, and carefully I don't label the WTS a cult, unless they totally agree. https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/
This is a page on jwfacts.com that might be interesting too.https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/fear-cult-mind-control.php
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WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS
by blondie inpardon all caps on original post title.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176336/blondies-comments-you-will-hear-05-31-09-wt-study-praise-forever.
comments you will not hear at the 05-31-09 wt study (march 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(righteous forever).
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Pardon all caps on original post title
Comments You Will Not Hear at the 05-31-09 WT Study (March 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(RIGHTEOUS FOREVER)
Q 2. What are two miracles Jehovah performed out of love?
2. Lovingly, Jehovah provided a perfect solution. How so? First, by performing the miracle of transferring the life of his beloved heavenly Son to the womb of a virgin so that he could be born as a perfect human (Luke 1:30-35) Then, after Jesus' enemies put him to death, Jehovah performed
another outstanding miracle. God raised Jesus back to life as a glorious spirit creature.--1 Pet 3:18.
So what SCRIPTURAL PROOF is there that God "transferred" Jesus life to the womb of a virgin. Based on the WTS view of artificial insemination, wouldn't Mary have been guilty of a) fornication since the "sperm" was not Joseph's or b) adultery (since she was engaged)?
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*** w02 3/15 p. 19 Questions From Readers ***Conception requires that an egg become fertile. Apparently, Jehovah God caused an ovum in Mary’s womb to become fertile, accomplishing this by the transferal of the life of his only-begotten Son from the spirit realm to earth.—Galatians 4:4.
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*** w81 6/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
In this case the sperm and the egg came from husband and wife. This is noteworthy from the Biblical standpoint. Why? Because of a law God gave to the ancient Israelites: “You must not give your emission as semen to the wife of your associate to become unclean by it.” (Lev. 18:20, 29) That law was given when modern artificial insemination and “test-tube-” baby procedures were not available; yet it does indicate God’s thinking.
From the Bible we must conclude that if conception is accomplished with the sperm and an egg not from husband and wife, it would amount to adultery or fornication. The Scriptures leave no doubt as to God’s view of such: “God will judge fornicators and adulterers.” (Heb. 13:4; Matt. 19:9)And then what about surrogate mothers? Wasn't that the arrangement with Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar?
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*** w84 8/15 p. 26 Insight on the News ***
Surrogate Mothers
A case of human artificial insemination was recorded as long ago as 1799. But in recent years this has come to be more widely practiced. According to The New York Times, a woman who is artificially inseminated and bears a child for another woman, as a substitute for her, is called a surrogate mother. The infertile wife and her husband agree to this arrangement, and when the surrogate mother gives birth the baby is adopted by the couple. The sperm in this case could be from the husband of the couple or from another donor.
Although such an arrangement may be approved by many in the world, the Christian rightfully asks whether it is in harmony with God’s laws. The Bible, at Leviticus 18:20, is clear on this point when it says: “You must not give your emission as semen to the wife of your associate to become unclean by it.” Artificial insemination of a woman by a donor other than her legal husband, makes her guilty of adultery, a sin against God. (Deuteronomy 5:18) The sperm donor and the surrogate woman have not been yoked together by God in matrimony.—Matthew 19:4-6. -
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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blondie
That was Bud Lyman....wife Winnie...became a jw in his 40's, daughter killed in car accident. He was a nice guy but they ground him down and he left the CO work to be closer to his granddaughter.
I remember he asked the elders from the platform how many knew the young ones (19 and younger) in their congregation....their names and greeted them at the meeting. After talking to the children before the meeting, he had their names down and he interviewed them on stage. They were comfortable right away with him and his wife. He stressed that the elders and other older jws take the time at each meeting to get to know younger ones, especially their own children.
But he wasn't able to stand up to the administration in a couple of cases that ended up being swept under the rug....it haunted him.
