The org's "new lights" - corrupting Proverbs 4:18

by BoogerMan in

proverbs 4:18 says, "but the path of the righteous....grows brighter and brighter until full daylight.".

the bible "light" doesn't get brighter - it never changes - it's a person's direction & course of life which gets brighter.. w11 9/15 p. 14 par.

15 - "when spiritual light on some matter gets brighter, do you try to understand the underlying scriptural reasons for the adjustment?

blondie

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

Light Gets Brighter

Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the only group to teach truth, as revealed to their Governing Body by Jehovah. If this is the case, why has Watchtower doctrine experienced ongoing changes? Watchtower justifies this as the "light gets brighter." This article examines the logic behind such a claim.

A key premise of this site is that constant changes in doctrine and failed predictions are clear indication that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower. For the external observer this is the logical conclusion, yet for one of Jehovah's Witnesses it barely raises a grimace. How can this be? Because changes and failures are immediately dismissed by the thought stopping concept:

Does truth change?

"The Bible tells us the light would get brighter."

This is based on a phrase from Proverbs.

"But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." Proverbs 4:18

Addressing this claim is required to render the information contained within this site effective.

The main justification from the Watchtower for changed doctrine is Proverbs 4:18.

“The Light Keeps Getting Brighter … Increasing light from Jehovah continues to illuminate their way organizationally, doctrinally, and morally. What are some of our beliefs that have been clarified in recent years?” 2016 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses p.25

““The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established,” states Proverbs 4:18. Yes, Jesus’ leadership is progressive, not stagnant. Another way to cooperate with Christ’s “brothers” is to have a positive attitude toward any refinements in our understanding of Scriptural truths as published by “the faithful and discreet slave.”” Watchtower 2011 May 15 p.27 (Contines...worth a read)

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Would you be able to survive a three day Assembly?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the last assembly i attended was over 10 years ago.

the monotone speakers, boring talks, uncomfortable seats, long prayers and nodding off after the lunch break did me in.

i survived the morning sessions, but the afternoon sessions were brutal.

blondie

3rd gen, the WTS did get comp'd (free) rooms and gave them to WTS big wigs to use. As to the WTS getting money directly from the hotels I'm not too sure about that or if it is misguided info. The "jw rate" did not apply before the convention or after per the hotels I knew of. And many jws had other ways to save on room costs, through their own fiscal membership with that hotel or through their employment, but the WTS said not to use them or the WTS might lose their block of rooms what liars, surprise. Yes, let the rank and file, struggling to put food on the table, clothes on their family's back, and a safe place to live...pick up the higher cost. We always stayed where we got the best price for the better room. Some jws told us they got rooms 50 miles away from the site and the room had bed bugs! Not just that one experience either. Some just drive back and forth from the convention site or take a bus rented by the congregation for transport daily. Even if an hour and a half away. Wow, those were or still are the days.

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Why Is Watchtower (Supposedly a Family Friendly Christian Publisher) Obsessed with Oral Sex?

by Sea Breeze in

if you do a search on the wt website and type in "oral sex", you will get 69 results.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=oral+sex&p=par&r=occ&st=a .

why does the wt.

blondie

I will add, if you find "bestiality" in 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 in the RNWT let me know.

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Did your witness family have a 'Thanksgiving' that wasn't on Thanksgiving?

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

my family had several elders, ministerial servants, auxillary pioneers etc, so it certainly wasn't one of those 'barely in' families.

but in certain small ways, i think mine were slightly less hard line than some other families i've heard stories about over the years.

one example was the 'fall dinner'.

blondie

I remember that Beth Sarim. My family just moved it to the next Saturday (US). I remember people celebrating their birthday 6 months after their real one. One relative got a big turkey from their workplace around Thanksgiving and my jw family used that as an excuse to have a T-day celebration right then, can't waste it right? My non-jw relatives weren't stupid and saw it as hypocrisy. But those jws obviously don't think their god is seeing them or knowing their innermost thoughts as the WTS teaches. As the Israelites said when they were worshiping false gods within the temple proper itself, RNWT "Jehovah has left the land and is not seeing."

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Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

by Gorb in

jw
friends

have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

the years i became pimo.

a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

blondie

Beth Sarim, I believe the mindset. But I remember that many of Jones followers did not follow him to Guyana (?). Others left while they could while there. Others stayed because of family in the group. The WTS doesn't seem to finished this culling process. But I can see it happening over time, and then the big group suicide at gunpoint. Is that suicide? I have found that many jws are not so obedient to the WTS and hide it from others, even elders. They feel if they don't get caught by men, nothing will happen to them. I can see elders and others holding the guns when their preservation is at risk. And I saw that trend when I left. I wanted to be like the Jim Jones followers who left before the move to Guyana.

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Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

by Gorb in

jw
friends

have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

the years i became pimo.

a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

blondie

I think some people think they can stay in and avoid being contaminated by some of the WTS teachings, I was like that PIMO. I finally realized I could not escape the taint, not be identified with the lies the WTS taught nor share them with non-jws as if it were true. Like not telling people they stepping into a deadly trap. I could no longer make excuses for the lack of real love in the WTS organization. In Jonestown, people not allowed not to drink the Koolaid, they were forced at gunpoint and seeing family members die, they wanted to die with them.

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Are you glad you got the Covid Vaccine? Did it help?

by liam in

i didn’t get the covid vaccine, but i admit, i was scared as shit i made the wrong decision because there was so much confusion out there.

practically all my family and most of my friends took the vaccine because everyone was depending on those in charge to speak the truth.

now a lot of them are sick, and they can't figure out why.

blondie

Yes, LHG, you were right to be careful with that reaction to shingles vaccine. I had both doses because I had had chickenpox. Recently a case of smallpox was found in NYC, a person coming in from another country. But still frightening since smallpox vaccinations are no longer given because it was "eradicated." I remember a missionary family with 4 children, the 3 older had been vaccinated for polio, but they did not get the youngest vaccinated. They went to a country is South America, and the 4th child got polio and was rendered unable to move from her mid-chest down. She had a special electric wheelchair she operated with her mouth using a guide stick. The parents felt so guilty because she was the victim of their lack of caring for her medically like the other 3 children. And she had to depend on her parents for the rest of her life. That was in the 1980's. I come from a different generation and I have been in other countries without the health conditions we have in the US. It is hard to realize what others endure if we don't see it.

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The boy who has cried wolf - for nearly 140 years!

by BoogerMan in

"when will this hope be fulfilled?

the bible foretold events that would signal that god’s kingdom is about to begin its rule over the earth.

present world conditions match what the bible foretold.

blondie

The WTS makes it clear in this quote, that even if jws don't understand what the WTS is saying, do it anyway. Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20

"At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

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Why Is Watchtower (Supposedly a Family Friendly Christian Publisher) Obsessed with Oral Sex?

by Sea Breeze in

if you do a search on the wt website and type in "oral sex", you will get 69 results.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=oral+sex&p=par&r=occ&st=a .

why does the wt.

blondie

The most recent WT attention to bestiality was in this year's first public edition of the WT 2024 (Note I said Public Edition of the WT), "THE BIBLE SAYS: “Abstain from sexual immorality. Each one of you should know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not with greedy, uncontrolled sexual passion like the nations have that do not know God.”—1 Thessalonians 4:3-5.

MEANING: The Bible limits how we are to express our sexual desires. The term “sexual immorality” includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)

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Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

by FFGhost in

so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

the “door of the ark” is closed.

blondie

I found this info on Proverbs 4:18 and the justification of the WTS for their interpretation of this scripture and their being the only religious group that makes this application. It has been written by ex-jws with long experience with this teaching and why the application is wrong by using WTS quotes and reasoning from other scriptures is the WTS application supported by the bible.

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/light-gets-brighter.php

Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be the only group to teach truth, as revealed to their Governing Body by Jehovah. If this is the case, why has Watchtower doctrine experienced ongoing changes? Watchtower justifies this as the "light gets brighter." This article examines the logic behind such a claim.

A key premise of this site is that constant changes in doctrine and failed predictions are clear indication that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower. For the external observer this is the logical conclusion, yet for one of Jehovah's Witnesses it barely raises a grimace. How can this be? Because changes and failures are immediately dismissed by the thought stopping concept:

Does truth change? continues

blondie

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