friday says adam will be resurrected?
i thought he was the cause of all the trouble the world is in?.
i thought the ultimate test was for a perfect man to decide whether or not they would submit to god's rule?.
Depends on your timeframe:
Adam -- from resurrection to no resurrection.
1928--"Just when Adam will be awakened, only the Lord knows. It may be early or it may be late during the period of restoration" (J. F. Rutherford, Reconciliation, pp. 323, 324).
1939--"There is no promise found in the Scriptures that Adam's redemption and resurrection and salvation will take place at any time. Adam had a fair trial for life and completely failed" (J. F. Rutherford, Salvation, p. 43).
i can't believe i don't know this!
obviously i was never really good jw material.
why is it watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, but watchtower bible and tract society of new york?.
Here's the timeline of name changes for both...I assume that the PA Society was already established with the "Watch Tower" and the NY Society was initially established with the "Watchtower" designation that coincided with the change in the WT magazine in 1939 to "Watchtower." PA changed in 1955 and NY in 1956...perhaps the difference was to maintain a separation in identity.
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC.
Peoples Pulpit Association. Formed in 1909 in connection with the Society’s moving of its principal offices to Brooklyn, New York. In 1939 the name was changed to Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. (WT magazine also changed to THE WATCHTOWER AND HERALD OF CHRIST’S KINGDOM) Since 1956 it has been known as Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA
Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society. First formed in 1881 and then legally incorporated in the state of Pennsylvania on December 15, 1884. In 1896 its name was changed to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Since 1955 it has been known as Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
i just want to catch up on the latest da policy.
i know if you have a blood transfusion, or send in a letter of da you get kicked out, but are there any other situations where the elders can da?.
philo
[Just reporting not supporting]
1. Join another religion
2. Join a military organization
3. Celebrate a religious holiday(s) (performing an act of false worship)(see #1)
4. Work secularly for another religious organization (see #1)
5. Take a blood transfusion
6. And verbally or in writing declare oneself no longer part
Below is from the "Elders Book"
Implications of Disassociation
Whereas disfellowshipping is an action taken by a judi-
cial committee against unrepentant wrongdoers, disasso-
ciation is an action taken by an individual who has
decided that he no longer desires to be one of Jehovah's
Witnesses. ( 1 John 2:19)
God's Word speaks of those who renounce the way of the
truth; they may do this either by written notice or by
action. (w81 9/15 p. 23)
If an individual takes a course contrary to the neutral
position of the Christian congregation, the congregation
is compelled to view him as one who has chosen to
separate from us. (Isa. 2:4;John 15:17-19)
A brief announcement should be made to notify the
congregation that this individual, by his chosen course, no
longer desires to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. (The
Society should be notified using the S-77 and S-79 forms. )
If a baptized person insists that he does not want to be
part of the congregation and requests that his name be
removed from all our records, we should comply with
his request.
Since he takes such an adamant position, encourage him
to put his request in writing.
If he refuses to do this but states resolutely before
witnesses his decision to disassociate himself and not be
known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, the witnesses to
his statement would be asked to put this in writing and
sign it.
In all cases of disassociation, a committee would consider the evidence regarding the matter.
If the person has definitely terminated his status as a member of the congregation, the elders will make a brief announcement of his disassociation. (w86 10/15 p. 31 )
The Society should be notified using the S-77 and S-79 forms.
He would be viewed as one who has disassociated himself.
It will not be necessary for a committee to continue the investigation into alleged wrongdoing if the accused person makes known his decision to disassociate himself.
(w84 7/1 p. 31 )
However, the committee would prepare a summary of the
alleged offense(s) and the evidence of such.
This would be kept along with information regarding
the disassociation.
If the person later requests reinstatement, these matters
would need to be considered with him at that time.
Those who disassociate themselves should be viewed and
treated the same as disfellowshipped persons. (w85 7/15
pp. 30-1)
If one disassociates himself and later wants to return to the
congregation, he must request a hearing for reinstatement,
the same as one who has been disfellowshipped.
i wanted to share an experience and see if any of had a similar expereince when you were a jw.
right before i started doubting, i had gone to "stars on ice" with an elders wife , we had dinner first and we ended up getting drunk.
smashed might be a better word choice.
Sorry, jurs, I didn't realize that this was in the past. Big surprise, that she lied....makes you wonder if anyone at the KH really thinks God is listening or even exists....
Lesson for those still attending....if it's your word against theirs, they will lie....count on it.
i took this pic last week on the family farm in bonnie scotland.
her ladyship is busily munching on her toast and marmalade whilst 2 of the dogs watch and drool.. my question is this: both the dogs are top pedigree animals and weigh in at 140 pounds each.
can you identify the breed?.
I still think it is a Scottish Chowhound :):):)
i wanted to share an experience and see if any of had a similar expereince when you were a jw.
right before i started doubting, i had gone to "stars on ice" with an elders wife , we had dinner first and we ended up getting drunk.
smashed might be a better word choice.
It depends on whether or not they believed you and whether the elder's wife told the truth herself. Have you talked to her since you made these revelations to the elders? These "she said--she said" situations tend to drift to the direction of the more respected person--the elder's wife, perhaps. Is there anything in your conversations that would interest an elder? Just turn around and eyeball him and say, "Is there anything I can help you with?" He'll probably say no and go somewhere else. Do this enough and he'll leave you alone...especially since it is in front of the person you are talking to.
the main topic is help for depressed teens.
yet when i was a teenager and depressed, did the elders help me?
the elders made rude little comments about it.
That's right, Rick Aust, the elders don't have training. But some don't think that precludes them from giving "professional" advice. On top of giving bad advice, they will then discourage you from seeking proper professional advice. The elders are warned and warned in the publications not to get involved in "medical" situations since they are not trained. Many just don't listen.... Maybe they are getting behind the scenes advice for the Society that isn't in writing.
When does lack of training, knowledge or experience, stop most elders from giving their opinion.
last night, i found myself wondering aloud about something i never thought i would consider: purchasing a gun.
previously, i had very strong anti-gun sentiments.
i felt, and still do to some extent, that freely available guns in this country are an immediate threat to children and add to the violent perception others have of americans.
Gun ownership
1. Learn to use a gun properly
2. Store your gun safely
3. Most importantly, are you prepared to kill when necessary
The last one is most important because this is a mental preparedness. You won't really know until the day the gun is in your hand pointed at someone...will you pull the trigger? Or will you hesitate and have the gun taken away from you and used against you.
Owning a gun for defensive reasons, will and must mean you are prepared to kill someone. Law enforcement officers receive much training. They have to be sure they are not killing a fellow officer, an innocent bystander, and that this type of force is appropriate to the crime. It is not like the movies.
I have grown up around and with guns as well as working with and around law enforcement officers.
I would explore all the ways to defend yourself without a gun...a Chimera class(es) or other self defense. I would not recommend karate or such because most people do not stay with it enough and keep it up for it to be effective. The most effective women (and men) have is common sense.
being raised a jw sometimes you feel you only know conditional love.
you are only loved if you tow the line.
i only have one thing to say,.
How about being in a family when you finally toe the line, they move the line.
Noidea, I found that love starts with yourself...which sounds simplistic. And if you are a person who believes in God, starts with knowing that God and Jesus don't ask anyone's opinion on earth about whether we are lovable...they already know what we are and love us anyway. In fact, they loved us before we even were.
"It's all right now. I've learned my lesson well.
You know you can't please everyone, So you've got to please yourself."
i took this pic last week on the family farm in bonnie scotland.
her ladyship is busily munching on her toast and marmalade whilst 2 of the dogs watch and drool.. my question is this: both the dogs are top pedigree animals and weigh in at 140 pounds each.
can you identify the breed?.
The Scottish Chowhound.
