Representation Flip-Flops! Are Jehovah's Witnesses representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society? Yes or No? Watchtower-1961-July-15-p. 445 "Some employers, on learning that the congregation servant was to be given free training to equip him for more effective overseership, marveled at the interest shown by the organization in those who represent it." http://www.badongo.com/pic/285397 Kingdom Ministry-February-1989 "Therefore, publishers do well to avoid representing themselves as agents or representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., or any othercorporation used by "the faithful and discreet slave" to advance Kingdom interests." http://www.badongo.com/pic/285383 Nevada-
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WTS contradictions and Lies
by drew sagan inpart of my strategy in talking with current jw's is using the watchtowers own publications against them.
it is not sipmly good enough to show them something wrong in an old publication, you also must show where they covered up or contradicted the particuliar teaching or event in a more rescent publication.
a prime example of this is how the watchtower states that a correct understanding of spiritism must have been understood by the group who became the faithful slave.
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WTS and Rock 'n Roll
by roflcopter inback in the day when rock 'n roll was the hot new thing, and all the parent thought elvis and his gyrating hips were from the devil, did the crotchtower babel and crapped society have anything to say about this in their literature?
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Awake-1982-August-8-pp.23-25 Young People Ask . . . When the Music Ends, How Do We Solve the Problems? ANOTHER day of school was over at last. Susan, happy that it was, could now head for home, retreat into the privacy of her room, drown herself in music and forget the world! Is this an apt description of you? A study made of the musical interests of young people, conducted in Berlin and Hamburg, Germany, revealed that they spend one and a half to three hours a day listening to music. Six out of ten put music with a heavy beat, and pop, at the head of their list. Why the major interest in this type of music? Interviewed young people said it was because of their disappointment with the world around them and their desire to be distracted from their problems. This was an essential reason in Susan?s case. Admonishing teachers, anxiety about schoolwork and exams were all forgotten at the first sounds of music. Often forgotten, too, were the chores and the homework. Susan had little contact with her parents. She saw her father seldom, perhaps fleetingly on weekends. ?He works a lot,? her mother explained. Susan was not so sure. But of one thing she was sure: this was not the kind of marriage she would have. Her husband would have time for her and the children, just as one of her favorite songs described it. Her mother, who also worked outside the home, always seemed nervous. She seemed to be always under a strain, always on the run, unwilling to listen to anyone who might want to talk to her. She would fix supper in a hurry, do a little housework, and then either slump down in front of the television or fall dead tired into bed. Susan knew many other young people who had complaints about their parents too. It is a fact that, in recent years, the bond between parents and children has weakened considerably. Many parents no longer listen to what their children want to tell them, and large numbers of children no longer look to their parents for guidance in solving life?s problems. Young people, however, generally want help in planning their future. They need someone who can show them understanding, someone who will listen to them talk about future plans or past disappointments. Since music is such an important part of their lives, it is small wonder that oftentimes they look up to musicians as examples to follow. Yes, at times they even idolize them. What Do Pop Stars Have to Offer? Modern songs often deal with contemporary fears and disappointments. So young people who actually have these problems feel understood by the performers who sing about them. Of course, simply complaining about today?s deplorable state of affairs?even when done in the framework of music?does not really change things or solve problems. So it is not strange that those who sing about their apparently healthy world, or at least dream of such, are afflicted by the very same problems that are common to all of us. The realities of life serve as a test of life-styles, showing whether they are feasible or not. The life that music stars live is oftentimes a distortion of the free and easy life they sing about. Rock stars are often unable to form balanced, partnershiplike relationships. ChrissieShrimpton says of her love affair withMick Jagger, member of the Rolling Stones: ?It was simply insane wanting to share a life with a man who, on the one hand, wanted to belong to everyone, but who, on the other hand, was unwilling to belong to you even when he had the time.? For over two decades Elvis Presley was a superstar. In a Presley biography we read that although he had ?an unbelievable career . . . he was not happy. He had few real friends. He was surrounded, as he often complained, ?either by fans or by spongers.? He had no peace of mind.? How did his life turn out? The biography continues: ?He could not cope. He turned to drugs, to uppers and downers, he grew argumentative, he was no longer the polite young man he once had been. Those who knew him well still admired him, but they no longer loved him. He lived alone, although not in seclusion, and he died alone.? Popularity and prestige are in the long run no replacement for a meaningful and satisfying life. George Harrison, a member of the former Beatles group, said: ?There was no longer any satisfaction in it.? Perhaps this emptiness of fame and the dissatisfaction with the life it brings are partially responsible for the behavior of some show-business greats. Hotel rooms have been wrecked, cars demolished, and, frequently, people have been injured. Such behavior is not indicative of balance and composure. To the contrary, it denotes a spirit of frustration. A friend of Mick Jagger once said: ?Mick has always had an inner conflict. He never wanted the negative image with which he and the Stones were burdened. But in order to cope with it, he . . . became the evil, aggressive man the press represented him as being. . . . On the other hand, he was always dreaming about a sound world, in which maliciousness and power mechanisms would not rule.? The world of happiness and harmony that pop stars sing about sounds good. And they may be very good in vocalizing what is wrong with our present world. But knowledge of a condition does not change it. And their life-style is in contradiction to their dreams of a sound world, the one they cannot create for others, not even for themselves. Sooner or later the music ends, leaving both singer and listener still loaded down with problems. Choosing a Better Example to Follow As a result, many young people have come to the conclusion that looking to pop stars as examples after which to pattern their lives is looking in the wrong place. One such is the fourteen-year-old German boy who wrote the Watch Tower Society the following: ?Until I was twelve music seemed to have little influence upon me. Of course, I heard music on the radio, but that was all. But this changed suddenly when we moved and my grandmother gave my brother and me a phonograph. I wondered what kind of records I should buy. My parents recommended Elvis Presley, and I agreed. I bought one of his albums. Upon hearing it I was enthusiastic. I bought another. But that was not all. I began to collect newspaper articles about him and pictures. Later I bought some of his posters. But this was still only the beginning. I got a haircut like the one Elvis had, and I began to copy his ways. I tried to dress as he did. When I turned fourteen, what did I have? At least fifteen of Elvis? albums, posters, piles of articles and a bad conscience.? Why a ?bad conscience?? Because, even though young, this lad came to realize that copying or idolizing imperfect humans is unwise and self-defeating. His view now is far more balanced and he concludes his letter by saying: ?Let this be a warning to other young people not to go too far.? Many persons, including this young boy, have decided to pattern their lives after someone else. It is a man who lived some 1,900 years ago and who invited his listeners to ?come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you.? (Matthew 11:28) The speaker was Jesus of Nazareth. A young person who respects the Word of God, as Jesus did, and allows it to be his guide in all fields of human endeavor will find that it offers practical counsel on how to live a happy life and how to cope with life?s problems. Additionally, it holds forth the wonderful prospect that this earth will one day be cleansed of corruption, violence, crime, injustice and pollution. Choosing to pattern one?s life after this man, Jesus, and his modern-day followers does not mean you must live the life of a pious ascetic. Observe the Christian witnesses of Jehovah. You will discover that they are happy, normal persons. From experience they have seen that no better counsel on coping with life?s problems can be found than what is in the Bible. They would like to invite you to look into the matter for yourself. http://www.badongo.com/pic/285305 http://www.badongo.com/pic/285310 http://www.badongo.com/pic/285316 Nevada-
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Awake-1970-May-22-p.-6 What Parents Can Do What can you do about the situation? Fight the giving of sex education in the schools? For the true Christian the direction is given: The servant ?of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all, qualified to teach, keeping himself restrained under evil.? (2 Tim. 2:24) If a parent objects to what is being taught and wants to protect his child, he can ask to have his child released from such classes. http://www.badongo.com/pic/285294 Nevada-
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laundromat witnessing to the witnesses!
by colorado5591 ini just moved to a pretty nice apartment complex and i'll be damned!
everytime i take the tracts off the bulletin boards in the laundromat, new ones appear within days!
i assume there must be a dub somewhere in my complex trying to count this as "time"
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Has anyone spoken 'in tongues'?
by lighthouse19something ini've been attending an independent church were the women wave flags, play realy loud live music, speak in tongues (not me) and alot of other thingsi never saw in kh.
it realy feels weird, but have closer friendships than in kh.
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lighthouse19something
Here is the link for the scan I intended for the post above. None of my scans are woking on the board lately.
http://www.badongo.com/pic/285159
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Has anyone spoken 'in tongues'?
by lighthouse19something ini've been attending an independent church were the women wave flags, play realy loud live music, speak in tongues (not me) and alot of other thingsi never saw in kh.
it realy feels weird, but have closer friendships than in kh.
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Lighthouse19something--Wecome!
The Watchtower-1992-August 15-p.-7, states that the speaking in tongues of today is really opening a way for the deceptions of Satan. Yet, Jehovah's Witnesses claim that they "speak in a "tongue" of their own called the "pure language"! If this so-called "pure language" Jehovah's Witnesses speak of is so clear and understandable, then why is it that Jehovah's Witnesses do not even understand some of this "pure language" themselves? For instance,--How many Jehovah's Witnesses understand fully all of the illustrations and teachings of this "pure language" concerning the [types and anti-types?], or all of the illustrations or "pure language" of the [heavenly Jerusalem in contrast to earthly Jerusalem], or how many Jehovah's Witnesses fully understand all of the "pure language" of their own [Blood policies], or even know how their own governing-body interpret scriptures? How many Jehovah's Witnesses fully understand the "pure language" of the [Babylon The Great Book?] How many Jehovah's Witnesses know why they are called a "publisher", when clearly not one of them are publishing anything? Not too many Jehovah's Witnesses understand their OWN TONGUE! Their TONGUE is just as much gibberish as the Satanic influence they condemn other churches for speaking!
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laundromat witnessing to the witnesses!
by colorado5591 ini just moved to a pretty nice apartment complex and i'll be damned!
everytime i take the tracts off the bulletin boards in the laundromat, new ones appear within days!
i assume there must be a dub somewhere in my complex trying to count this as "time"
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What did Jaracz disapprove of in the Awake! of April 8th 1992?
by slimboyfat inbarabara anderson says:.
barry was out of town and it took three senior writers to put enough pressure on barr, as next in command, to keep the factory press room from capitulating to ted jaracz's orders not to print the april 8th 1992 awake!, which contained material jaracz did not support, although he was out of line by making such a demand.
the job assignment of each governing body member was clearly delineated and writing department editorial decisions were not jaracz's business, just like the decisions of the service department, under jaracz's command, were not the affair of barry, barr or klein.
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Awake-1992-April-8-pp.-24-27 ("I Wept For Joy") http://www.badongo.com/pic/284586 http://www.badongo.com/pic/284591 http://www.badongo.com/pic/284592 http://www.badongo.com/pic/284622 Nevada-
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Why no Kingdom Ministries???
by mama1119 inwhen i was disfellowshipped, the elders told me i could have copies of the watchtower and awake and any publications for bookstudy etc, but could not have a kingdom ministry...does anyone know why that rule???
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Why no Kingdom Ministries???
by mama1119 inwhen i was disfellowshipped, the elders told me i could have copies of the watchtower and awake and any publications for bookstudy etc, but could not have a kingdom ministry...does anyone know why that rule???
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