Hi Chalam, I think Isaiah 14:12 is speaking of Babylon but Luke 10:18 does say Satan has already fallen. Their own Bible says "I begin to behold Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven." But they have to believe 1914 was when it happened. They can't disagree or they will be labeled an Apostate.
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"1914", a perspective.
by Chalam inwhen i first talking to jws i noticed this whole date thingy.
for example, one of the first jws i spoke to told me "satan was cast out of heaven in 1914".. all i could think was "where did they get that from?!".
it just seemed totally absurd.
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Hubby is Researching 607...
by cognac inwould you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
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Watchtower Society can't get 607 either. They say King Neb. first rule is 624. 2Kings 25:8-9 says "it was King Neb. 19th year when Jerusalem was desolated." 18 years later is 606.
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Hubby is Researching 607...
by cognac inwould you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
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It seems the Watchtower Society does not agree with God. Insight on the Scriptures Vol.1 page 332 they say God for told the Jewish Captives "they would have to serve the King of Babylon seventy years, after which he would deliver a faithful remnant." (Jer. 25:11-12) The next paragraph says "Even BEFORE the end of the 70 years of exile, Babylon fell, in 539 B.C.E. to the armies of Persian King Cyrus. But then if you go to page 431 under MORDECAI, they say He was one who returned to Jerusalem and Judah in 537 B.C.E. AFTER THE 70 YEARS OF EXILE IN BABYLON.
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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The 144,000 do not come out of the great tribulation thats why.
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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Rev. 7 :13-14 shows the ones dressed in white came out of the great tribulation. Rev.22 :14 "Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority to the trees of life may be theirs and they may gain entrance into the city by its gates." Rev. 19: 1 and 6 speak of a great crowd in heaven.
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Rev. 14.4
by is there help out there ini was cleaning out my wallet and i came across this that i showed to a young jw at work and she freeked out.. rev.
14.4 states, however states that the 144000 are not the total number of believers in jesus who will enter heaven.
the first of a much larger number to follow..
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Hey very good point. Thanks. I will be using this. Many times I read that and never caught it.
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Hubby is Researching 607...
by cognac inwould you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
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OH FORGOT, INCASE YOU CAN NOT SUBTRACT, 624 MINUS 18=606. BOTH DATES ARE WRONG ANYWAY.
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Hubby is Researching 607...
by cognac inwould you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
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Alwayshere
SCHOLAR, THIS SCRIPTURE FITS YOU AND OTHERS WHO STICK UP FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS HURT SO MANY FAMILIES. JEREMIAH 8:12 "DID THEY FEEL SHAME BECAUSE THEY HAD DONE EVEN WHAT WAS DETESTABLE? FOR ONE THING, THEY POSITIVELY COULD NOT FEEL ASHAMED, FOR ANOTHER THING, THEY DID NOT KNOW EVEN HOW TO FEEL HUMILIATED."
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Why Do Jehovah's Witnesses Use the Term "Manmade Religions"?
by Cold Steel inover the years, and just a few weeks ago as a matter of fact, i've anwered the door to find jehovah's witnesses standing there.
in my discussions with them, they've usually mentioned "manmade religions" and armegeddon.
having looked into their religion somewhat, and more so lately, i have to say that the entire movement seems to be manmade and, if not, i certainly don't know where, or how, god could have had a hand in it.. what is there in the way their church was formed that would make it formed, created or established by god?
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The Watchtower Society's own literature says in the Watchtower,December 1st,1991 "A religion that tells lies can not be true." They are talking about themself when they say that. That organization is run by Hypocrites and liers. They are so very easy to prove wrong.
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Hubby is Researching 607...
by cognac inwould you say that's the beginning of the end?
hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .
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SCHOLAR, IF YOUR SO SMART, HOW DO YOU GET KING NEB.'s 19th YEAR BY USING 624 FOR HIS FIRST YEAR. 2KINGS 25:8-9 SAYS IT WAS HIS 19th YEAR WHEN JERUSALEM WAS DESOLATED.
