Posts by ringo5

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NAME JUST ONE thing....ONE THING...revealed by God....

by Terry in

somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.

but, why are you still buying?

when will you ever learn that this is a scam among many scams.

ringo5

The fact is, if it did happen, it happened due to technological intervention.

The ubiquitous presence of extra-human interactions found in the descriptions of human conception without sex do not point to anything conflicting with technological intervention.

Huge assumptions (virgin birth) built on other huge assumptions( ET got her pregnant), all without a shred of proof......

Anomalous interactions with humans by extra-human sources would prove a rule, too, would they not, Terry?

prove nothing, sorry

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If Michael Vick were a Witness...

by Numinous in

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...it would be fine to hang dogs as long as you weren't smoking while you were doing it.

ringo5

However, his punishment regarding what he has done to the animals should not be more that what many domestic and sexual abusers, mass murderers, killers, and drunken drivers receive.

I agree with you on this principle.

There should be a limit of putting an animals' life over the value of a human life. And many people who have killed, murdered, and sexually abused other humans are walking around in public, out on bail, committing the same offenses over and over again.

Instead of putting a limit on the punishment for these kind of offenses , perhaps we should reexamine the value we put on human life, and change the way we handle those that place little value on the latter.

The same way Micael Vick has been vilified and punished because of what he has done, so should all others (black, white, asian, hispanic) should be hunted down and punished and vilified for animal cruelty and animal fights.

Here is where I start to differ with you, IMO the vilification and out rage is a result of most people's feelings for the victims here . People in the west tend to view dogs as pets , and as such under our care , and also in most cases CUTE. They fall into the same emotional category as our kids in that, for the most part, we tend to view them as innocent parties . If this was a white football player , I think we'd see a similar reaction . The only difference we might see would be the non-pulling of the race card.

However, if instead of a dog fighting ring it was a cock fighting ring , the doubt we would see near this reaction. We don't see chickens as cute but instead see them more as food.

Now the authorities are going after a black rapper for this same type of offense and rightly so. But I am sure there are many of other races ( white, hispanic, asian, etc) involved in this same type of animal cruelty and I do not hear from the public a vilified outcry or see any of the authorities going after these people also.

I'm sure your experience has shaped this view, but personally I'd feel the same about this crime no matter what color the perpetrator was.

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WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

by hibiscusfire in

i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.

" (john 14:6) .

the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).

ringo5

Hibie, do you remember when Satan took Jesus to the top of a mountain to see all the kingdoms of the world?

Obviously, one cannot see all the surface of earth from any perspective, including a mountain top. So why take him there? (if it was a vision, there would be no need to go anywhere)

Perhaps to get a view of the surrounding kingdoms, that is, the local area or the known world at that time.

So "all the kingdoms of the world" does not necessarily mean the literal world or earth. So jesus could still refer to the flood in this same use of the word and not mean a literal earth wide flood.

You'll sway more people to believe if your arguments don't fly against a huge amount of physical evidence, and you still get to keep your jesus

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If Michael Vick were a Witness...

by Numinous in

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...it would be fine to hang dogs as long as you weren't smoking while you were doing it.

ringo5

He might be reproved at most.

On another note, the whole reaction to this seems disproportionate to me....

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Glory Be! I'm Invited to "Follow The Christ!"

by SixofNine in

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i find it's always interesting to listen in on never-been-jw's when they are discussing the "je-ho's".

enjoy :.

click: discussion board topic: convention invitation.

ringo5

Worked for me six, I liked this one:

I was impressed with how clean-cut Jesus looks these days -- nice, trimmed beard, hair cut just about the collar line -- he could be a male model for a Sears catalog circa 1973!

My Jesus hook-up will be at The Cow Palace in Daly City. Guess the venue takes him back to his manger "roots".

"Jesus hook up" lol

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NAME JUST ONE thing....ONE THING...revealed by God....

by Terry in

somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.

but, why are you still buying?

when will you ever learn that this is a scam among many scams.

ringo5

The knowledge of the possibility of human conception without intercourse has been attributed to extra-human sources for thousands of years, even though no human knew or claimed to know how to do it. Up until the early 1900s, when scientists started to speculate that it might be practically possible given technological advances, scientists believed it was not possible.

Ah, those scientists have so much to learn from the bible, why did they stop?

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NAME JUST ONE thing....ONE THING...revealed by God....

by Terry in

somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.

but, why are you still buying?

when will you ever learn that this is a scam among many scams.

ringo5

ringo5: If someone asked you for the probability of this possibility, what number would you give?
The probability of the possibility that humans can concieve without intercourse is 100%. It is now a proven fact. Many people alive today are not the product of sexual intercourse; QED humans could always have conceived without intercourse.

The fact that you misinterpreted a very simple question, if it was unintentional, demonstrates very well the problem with interpreting scripture.(scripture being the chief way Christians feel God revealed himself to them)

If it was intentional, it demonstrates how defenders of illogical ideas will throw red herrings out to muddy the argument.

If it is possible it has always been possible. Do you not know that basic fact of the way reality works? If not, I find that surprising.

The fact that after you avoided answering the intended question, that is "If someone asked you for the probability of this possibility occurring, what number would you give?", and proceeded to question my grasp of reality, is also not suprising, as ad hominem attacks are common tools of defenders of "divine and extra-human sources".

The probability of it occurring in any specific incident at any specific time period would obviously be adjusted to a more specific set of constraints

If you'd care to, I'll still like that (hopefully clarified) question answered. Or if you wish, a comparison of the probabilities of the following possibilities occurring,

1. Mary was impregnated the way the majority of impregnations happen (even today) or the possibility you raised,

This recently accepted possibility of conception without intercourse has always been possible, and communication of the possibility was consistently attributed to extra-human origins.

2. Mary was impregnated without intercourse but rather due to an extra-human source.

Cheers

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When I am weak - then I am weak!

by slimboyfat in

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i wonder how others cope with powerlessness?

as a witness i took great comfort from the thought that when i was at my lowest, that is when i could rely on jehovah completely: as in the saying, "when i am weak - then i am powerful!

" but i can't take comfort in that any more because that kind of attitude seems like mere wishful thinking to me now.

ringo5

Enjoyed your ramble. All I can say is..... Woody Allen helps me too.....

ringo5

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NAME JUST ONE thing....ONE THING...revealed by God....

by Terry in

somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.

but, why are you still buying?

when will you ever learn that this is a scam among many scams.

ringo5

So, my request to you all is:
Name one tyrant, individual or collective, throughout recorded history, who takes up the figurative sword and relies on killing instruments of war and who has not perished and his works became undone.
Whole nations have and are now mobilized for war. The significance of the above revelation is unknown to them. They believe that they will succeed by warfare. Recorded history shows they are wrong.
belbab

I think your question is more insightful as it pertains to the human condition, as opposed to the divine nature of the quote "those who live by the sword die by the sword".

It is interesting, as you pointed out, that he recalled those words while in prison, no doubt guarded by swords or the like.

Because if your position requires you believe this is part of inspired scripture, I have to say, whoever inspired the whole of scripture ( I'm assuming here you believe the inspiration of the bible), has given a somewhat mixed message.

Or, perhaps he hasn't clarified that statement enough, because it seems whenever swords, warfare or violence in general is mentioned in the bible, it's moral justification is always dependant on if it's sanctioned by God or not. (rev 6:8, james 2:21, and many others plus all of the old testament)

This is to say nothing of his followers who have had this divinely inspired truism all this time, and yet for some reason have been at the forefront of sword-play and the like since.

One has to wonder if the divine nature who inspired this book might better have considered his audience so as ensure his message was not so badly misunderstood.

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NAME JUST ONE thing....ONE THING...revealed by God....

by Terry in

somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.

but, why are you still buying?

when will you ever learn that this is a scam among many scams.

ringo5

Again, this possibility was always reported as having been communicated by divine or mystical sources.

If someone asked you for the probability of this possibility, what number would you give? (something tells me you would never give a number)

David Hume said it quite well: "Which is more likely, that the whole natural order of things was subverted or a Jewish minx told a lie?"