I wondered what was going on. In the past few years since covid a brother and wife (various couples, not just one) have managed the sound together and when the brother got up to give a talk the wife took over during his talk. On Tuesday, when the brother got up to give a talk, instead of his wife taking over control, another brother came up, sat beside the wife of the other brother at the sound booth, and took over control himself. When the brother finished his talk, the other brother got up, and the original brother went back to the sound booth next to his wife and took control of the sound again. I thought this form of musical chairs was novel, so a new letter with these instructions would explain it.
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New instructions on not using sisters to manage KH computer ?
by fifth.column insince covid in france, especially in the countryside with lack of brothers, it was quite common that some sisters were using the computer at the back of the kingdom hall to manage zoom session.. i heard a rumor that new instructions, maybe a july letter, stated that this was reserved for male only, even unbaptised publishers, but no sister if there is at least a male available.
that would be a steps back and disappointment for these sisters.
last week i heard at my mom’s house how they were happy that this service was available for them, a proof that the org was moving forward.
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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou inthis is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
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Who told the first lie?
According to the Bible the devil is “the father of lies”. It’s fair enough reading Genesis in different ways (many, including Christadelphains, see no devil there at all) but in terms of the Christian Bible’s own interpretation of itself, it is clear the devil was the first liar.
John 8.44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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slimboyfat
Have the old shunning videos been taken down from the website?
Are people keeping copies for the record?
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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(looks like wt pulled the english august 2024 magazine off the servers...)
guess they can't make up their minds what kinda macaroni to serveI hope people have got copies of it, and the foreign language editions, so we can compare them with whatever is finally released?
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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What lie did the devil ever tell? None as far as I can see.
“You won’t die.” Was the big one.
I find your comment confusing, because if you are allowing for the narrative details of the Bible as a premise for the question in the first place, then I don’t see how it’s possible to deny that Adam and Eve actually died, and that the statement that they wouldn’t die was therefore a lie. Or what are you saying?
If you are not using the narrative as the premise of the question, then I don’t know what is the point of saying the devil has never told a lie. He’s never done anything if he doesn’t exist.
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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers
by ukpimo inbig news.
just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.
study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.
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slimboyfat
I don’t see it on the website yet. What does it mean “released on servers”?
Has any change been made to an earlier version of the magazine that would explain the delay in publication?
Have they removed the word disfellowshipping but not the practice? Or are they trying to water the whole thing down?
It seems a complicated situation but he is my speculation. (We’re allowed to speculate here.)
I suspect that the GB is divided over whether they want to significantly downgrade the practice of shunning or whether they just want to tinker with the wording and keep shunning practice in place as far as possible. The delay in publication may be a result of wrangling over the precise wording that would reflect either a significant change of policy or otherwise simply continue the practice under a different guise. I suspect the reformers will probably prevail in the end and, whatever the precise wording of this particular Watchtower, future articles, and JWs on the ground, will reduce the level of shunning to a significant extent.
If that’s the case, then the hardline shunning videos at the conventions of the past 10 years or so do seem a bit jarring in retrospect. I wonder if they will address that at all, or come out with a sort of antidote non-shunning video for example, minus the mea culpa, which they are of course not very good at.
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Do we have "original" indipendent documents proving that Rutherford was an alcoholic?
by psyco ini was wondering if you could prove with "original" independent documents that rutherford was an alcoholic.... .
i read penton, but since he is a former jw he could not be considered an independent source.... .
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I don’t think so. A source commonly cited is Olin Moyle, who became antagonistic toward Rutherford, after having served JWs as their lawyer. There are a couple of letters he wrote and there is a court case at which Fred Franz and others gave testimony, available online.
Some have claimed to present photos of Rutherford and associates drunk, also probably still online somewhere. Others have disputed this is what they show. Judge for yourself.
There is circumstantial evidence that Rutherford was at least pro-drink during the Prohibition era, as he described prohibition as Satanic in WT literature of the period. There are claims that JWs illegallly smuggled alcohol from Canada during Prohibition, but I can’t remember the source or the basis for that.
It seems to me entirely plausible that Rutherford was a hard drinker but I haven’t seen solid evidence for it.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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On the other hand, perhaps indifference is what he’d hate most, and his ultimate just deserts as his support drifts ever downward.
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Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine
by slimboyfat inin an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.
this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.
the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.
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Very interesting Earnest. I recall reading about that and thinking about the striking image of that angel in the Revelation book with the rainbow above his head and one foot on the land and one foot in the sea. I was surprised to find how many Trinitarian commentators also take this angel in Revelation 10 to be a description of Jesus, but presumably “not a created angel” - the usual formulation for acknowledging Jesus as an angel in scripture without admitting the implications of that.
Interestingly, Charles Gieschen in his book Angelomorphic Christology (1998) lists the NT texts where Jesus is overtly identified as an angel as follows: Gal 4:14; Rev 10:1; 14:14–15; 20:1. He argues that it’s implied elsewhere too (that’s the whole point of his 400+ page book) but again probably with Trinitarian inflection in his case because I gather he’s an evangelical.
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2024-08-August-Edition-of-Watchtower!
by Atlantis init was translated so make sure everything looks ok.. 2024-08-august-edition of watchtower magazine.. .
https://smallpdf.com/result#r=c90d948913ed99d72872c0a1c609f388&t=share-document .
leopold.
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Not been following this. So, have they accepted gay marriage yet?