say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
If it’s dropped to appease governments I think it misses the target. Governments and societies care how JWs treat ex members, not about doctrines like the 144,000.
The rationale for changing it would presumably be the fact that it’s increasingly difficult to sustain only the idea of 144,000 anointed Christians across nearly 2000 years when you have 20,000+ partaking annually and the number continues increasing.
https://youtu.be/sptboe8_kuc?si=cnb837qqdlm1glx0.
this is a question that has preoccupied the minds of the governing body " when will the last anointed be taken up to heaven?
" when did this nonsense begin ?
No, I don't think so. The argument is that it was in 1935 that the identification of the great crowd referred to in Revelation 7 occurred. As that identification was given by one of the 24 elders (who represent the 144,000), it is clear that some of the 144,000 must have been resurrected by that time. So the start of the first resurrection could not be after 1935.
While it is true that 1935 has been dropped as a significant date related to when the selection of the anointed ends, the fact remains that it was then that the great crowd were identified.
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https://youtu.be/sptboe8_kuc?si=cnb837qqdlm1glx0.
this is a question that has preoccupied the minds of the governing body " when will the last anointed be taken up to heaven?
" when did this nonsense begin ?
That’s an interesting quote from 2007, but hasn’t WT since dropped 1935 as a significant date related to the selection of the anointed? If so, that would tend to suggest 1935 no longer has any bearing on the timing of the first resurrection either.
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
FFGhost good point, why would they state the number in the QFR if they were planning on dropping it? This is probably a false alarm.
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
It was a hard core doctrine. Why change it? It creates only problems. It is not an issue to be solved.Because the numbers don’t work and the number of anointed keeps on increasing?
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
Hold your horses everybody, the rumour is they’re dropping the literal 144,000, this doesn’t necessarily mean dropping the anointed heavenly hope/other sheep earthly hope distinction. They could still maintain they are two distinct groups, and the anointed are a smaller group, but just that the exact number isn’t defined …
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
Can anyone identify the last time WT affirmed the literal 144,000 teaching in print or in broadcast? Because they sometimes have a lead-in time of a year or two where they go silent on a teaching before ditching it.
does anybody know which edition of "my book of bible stories" had the fully colored pages?
i'm pretty sure it came out late in the book's life, but i'd like someone to verify which one it is..
I’ve never seen a fully colour version, always a mixture of coloured pages and black and white. At the same time, it makes sense to think that the images were originally produced in colour, before being converted to black and white, presumably to save money. So maybe the coloured versions were used at some point?
say it ain’t so!
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in one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.. in another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to jws since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
Say it ain’t so!
In one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.
In another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to JWs since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?
What do you think?
thinking sometimes about my youth days and the stories my grandfather told me about our jw congregation.
do you recognize that your congregation was full of somehowe strange folks, very low educated, poor and simple?.
the po was an elder with some distance, with some personality acting intelligent and following the rules strict.. there was always a kind of scandal.
No, I wouldn’t say so. There were some really bright people in my congregation. Two elders I liked a lot, both converts in the 1970s, with their wives. One was a heating systems engineer for hospitals who also like to quote David Hume. He had a very technical mind and was friendly too. The other was an electrical engineer for a large organisation. He could mend anything. Both their wives were bright too. There were other very intelligent sisters, including teachers and nurses and civil servants. There were former drug addicts, and they were intelligent and thoughtful people too, and turned their lives around after becoming JWs. Sure there were some odd characters and less intelligent people in the congregation, but it was a genuine mixture, including a number of interesting people from different backgrounds, in my recollection, though doctors or lawyers or academics are few and far between among JWs.
Through my association with Christadelphians, in recent years, I have come to appreciate that people in that community tend to have much better education and careers than typical JWs. Many are doctors and lecturers and professional musicians and so on. Unitarians are another step up on the social hierarchy, including senior academics, lawyers, and so on. Quakers are similarly middle to upper middle class, and include an inordinate numbers of teachers and lecturers. Seventh-day Adventists, at least in the UK, include a large number of immigrants from Africa who are doctors, nurses, and engineers.
