Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

slimboyfat

Say it ain’t so!

In one sense it’s a no brainer because the figures just don’t add up any more.

In another (negative) sense it’s a no brainer because it’s been fundamental to JWs since year dot and might undermine the whole thing?

What do you think?

ThomasMore

In other news, Pinocchio announces that he is now a real boy.

WTC never disappoints. They keep making announcements like they have actual insight into the scriptures. If they make this change, does it make them more of a charlatan or less?

Beth Sarim

Its out there!!!!

Hard to believe. That's one core belief the Borg pounds into its victims(believers) heads to firm-up & solidify the ""us vs them" mentality..

On the other hand however,,, the Borg is notorious for flip flopping on core doctrines. Like the faithful slave,, organ transplants,, superior authorities,,,,maybe the first flip flop on the 144,000? Perhaps.....

You just never know!!!!!

peacefulpete

Why not. They might have to get a second bottle of wine though.

I recall after the 'memorial' pouring the still full glass back into the bottle and giving it to the Elder who bought it. No one was ever interested in leftover crackers, however.

liam

They'll eat it like candy!

Beth Sarim

The 2 class 2 tier system is such a fundamental core teaching in JWdom.

Abandoning it almost totally eradicates the principal of life on earth in paradise.

Having to earn that prospect is a cornerstone doctrine of this prospect of surviving Armageddon then the 1000 year period,,, the ""final test"",,,,, then paradise.

What the hard core hardliners have resolved to for decades is suddenly erased in one new understanding. Its almost like the 2 class system which the Borg has held onto for over 89 years is nullified.

This 2 class system has been the backbone of JW theology since the 1930s Rutherford era. Its what makes the JW theology ""unique"",, separate or different.

slimboyfat

Can anyone identify the last time WT affirmed the literal 144,000 teaching in print or in broadcast? Because they sometimes have a lead-in time of a year or two where they go silent on a teaching before ditching it.

dropoffyourkeylee

LOL if this happens I think I'll fall off my chair laughing

slimboyfat

Hold your horses everybody, the rumour is they’re dropping the literal 144,000, this doesn’t necessarily mean dropping the anointed heavenly hope/other sheep earthly hope distinction. They could still maintain they are two distinct groups, and the anointed are a smaller group, but just that the exact number isn’t defined …

NotFormer

I've been theorising for a while now that since only the GB are the FDS, they're going to have to do something about the 144,000 and the anointed. IMO, the 144,000 will be dropped, either officially or discretely never mentioned again*, and only the GB will be the annointed, AKA Jesus' brothers. It will be interesting to see if they are brave enough to weave a new doctrine explaining exactly how only the GB are special and where they fit in with the scheme of things and scripture at large**. I wonder if the other sheep will then wake up and realise that the promises of the bible only extend to a handful of old men living in luxury in their own ivory tower, according to the doctrine espoused by these men.

I've postulated before, should only the GB be the annointed, they're going to have to do something the memorial. If my prediction (more "what if?" speculation than prophecy) comes to pass, the memorial could descend into a farcical situation whereby it becomes a worldwide live broadcast into every Kingdom Hall, of the GB, and only them, partaking of the emblems. In this imaginary scenario, how would the R&F feel: like the animals at the end of Animal Farm where the pigs start walking on two legs and the sheep start bleating "Four legs good; two legs better!"?

* With appropriate warnings about idle speculation, running ahead of the chariot and old light

** Should most of my speculative predictions come to pass

Rumour 144,000 literal number teaching to be abandoned at Annual Meeting

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