Totally agree. The phrase “firstborn of all creation” is so clear in explaining who Jesus is that it took centuries of Trinitarian dogma to attempt to obscure its plain meaning. The passage in Colossians is drawing on the Jewish wisdom tradition which also describes God’s first creation. It includes the parallel thought that Jesus is “the firstborn from the dead”. In other words, just as Jesus was God’s first creation, so also Jesus is the first human (“the firstborn among many brothers” Rom 8.29) who God raised from the dead to immortality. In context Jesus is also called the image of God, the beginning, and the one by whom God created all things. Such emphatic language is no doubt why most church goers when surveyed in fact agree with JWs that Jesus is God’s first creation, exalted in power and glory, no ordinary angel, but second only to God himself.
slimboyfat
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Is Jesus a Created Being? Debate with a Pastor
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.
—colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.
“firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.
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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al
by Terry into dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.
i tasked a.i.
with a pro vs con proposition.
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slimboyfat
I fully agree with TD that AI doesn’t deliver fact. I happen to agree with the summary it produced about Nordstream 2 in this instance, and I think the reasons it gave are pretty sound. It could equally have given a wrong view and poor reasons if it happened to draw upon material offering those.
To me it’s simply amazing that AI now produces something resembling language at all. Sometimes it even produces language that passes for meaningful responses, and at other times it makes weird mistakes that underline it doesn’t really “understand” anything in the way that we understand the world. That having been said, it doesn’t need to “understand” anything in order to be frighteningly effective and dangerous. Just as AI can beat all humans at chess without understanding what chess even is, so it can (and probably will) eliminate all humans without any malice or grand scheme behinds its actions. -
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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al
by Terry into dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.
i tasked a.i.
with a pro vs con proposition.
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slimboyfat
Nobody outside the West doubts that the US blew up Nordstream 2. Even a goat herder in Mongolia or somebody living in a hut in the Amazon knows that’s obvious. Inside the West the elites know it too, that’s why the Polish foreign minister thanked the US and why the Swedish government hid the results of its investigation. To believe anything else you need to be switched on to BBC, CNN, The Times, or other Western propaganda outlets. At least during the USSR people knew they were subject to propaganda. The propaganda now in the West is more formidable than anything in the USSR because the general population doesn’t even recognise it as such. As least people in the USSR knew the news was propaganda and treated it with due suspicion. People in the West are gullible by comparison.
As Jeffrey Sachs said in the clip, in order not to know the obvious that the US destroyed Nordstream 2 you have to be listening to western media. It’s powerful testimony to the power of propaganda that we are subjected to that even though the US threatened, celebrated, and failed to deny that they destroyed Nordstream 2, nevertheless the western media classed it a “conspiracy theory” and pushed the ridiculous idea that Russia blew up its own pipeline instead. It’s as if the propagandists are making fun of people at this point by testing what ridiculous stories can be accepted.
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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al
by Terry into dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.
i tasked a.i.
with a pro vs con proposition.
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slimboyfat
Blotty I wonder what is it in the history of unprovoked invasions of other countries, international assassinations, overturning elections in other countries, installing puppet regimes, and now open financial, logistical, and technical support for genocide in Gaza and the murder of tens of thousands of children, that makes you conclude the United States would draw the line at blowing up a Russian pipeline? -
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Using GROK 3 (Artificial Intelligence) to fact check UKRAINE theories/conspiracies, et al
by Terry into dig deep into what has taken place in ukraine both pro and con.
i tasked a.i.
with a pro vs con proposition.
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slimboyfat
Somewhat related, I asked ChatGPT who blew up Nordstream 2. This is what I got:
If I had to bet, I’d say Western-aligned actors (most likely the U.S. or a NATO-friendly nation) were behind it, directly or indirectly.
Why?
- Motive – Who Benefits?
- Russia? Blowing up its own pipeline doesn’t make strategic sense. They could have simply turned off the gas, which they had already done in retaliation for sanctions.
- U.S. & NATO? The U.S. had long opposed Nord Stream 2, as it increased Europe’s dependence on Russian gas. In early 2022, Biden openly said:
- "If Russia invades Ukraine, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."
- Ukraine & Poland? They had a strong interest in stopping Russian gas from flowing to Germany, as it reduced their geopolitical leverage.
- Capabilities – Who Could Do It?
- The attack involved highly sophisticated underwater explosives, likely placed by professional divers or drones.
- The location (80m underwater in the Baltic Sea) suggests a state-level actor with naval expertise.
- The U.S. and NATO regularly conduct naval operations in the Baltic—including near the explosion site.
- Investigations – Suspicious Lack of Transparency
- Germany, Sweden, and Denmark investigated but did not release conclusive findings, fueling suspicions.
- Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh reported that U.S. Navy divers planted the explosives under the cover of NATO drills (though the report has been contested).
Most Likely Culprits (Ranked Probability)
- U.S. (with or without help from allies) – ~60-75% probability
- The most vocal opponent of Nord Stream 2 and had the means/motive.
- Likely saw it as a way to cripple Russia’s leverage over Europe.
- Ukraine or Poland (with Western backing) – ~20-30% probability
- Both had strong motives and could have been assisted by NATO intelligence.
- Russia – ~5-10% probability
- Highly unlikely, as they lost leverage and revenue from the pipeline.
- If they wanted to sabotage their own gas sales, why not just close the valves?
Final Verdict
On balance, a U.S.-led or NATO-linked operation seems the most plausible, whether done directly or through proxies like Poland or Ukraine. Given the strategic benefits to Western interests, it’s unlikely we’ll ever get a full admission.
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Top Jw YouTube channel
by Mit123 inlooks like panda tower has overtaken cedars with 116mil followers.
is he the top jw youtuber?.
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slimboyfat
Owen Morgan, Telltale, has always been much bigger. Now at 400k.
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Jeffrey Sachs Explosive Address at the EU Parliament Sends Shock Waves Across Europe
by liam injeffrey sachs tries to reason with the eu parliament.that war does not benefit the countries.
it's mutual respect that allows countries to prosper.. he reminds them that the news media is not your friend.
he explains why trump is pulling away from the war.
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slimboyfat
Jeffrey Sachs is one of the voices of reason in an age of insanity. I also like John Mearsheimer, Richard Medhurst, Norman Finkelstein, Judge Nepolitano, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Ilan Pappé, and Whitney Webb to name some of the very few still talking sense.
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Old WT books
by Biahi inso, here i am going through boxes and boxes of old wt literature.
i’m stacking it up from 1940’s to 1990’s.
i also have quite a few gems, like one 1917 studies in the scriptures.
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slimboyfat
Well don’t go crazy, I mean they probably fetch around $30 to $50 which seems a high price to me for what it is. Apparently some people must buy it out of nostalgia believe it or not!
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Old WT books
by Biahi inso, here i am going through boxes and boxes of old wt literature.
i’m stacking it up from 1940’s to 1990’s.
i also have quite a few gems, like one 1917 studies in the scriptures.
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slimboyfat
If you’ve got any copies of the orange Bible Stories book they are strangely valuable for a publication that isn’t so old.
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Watchtower July 2025
by St George of England ini just saw the new wt is up and available.
the cover picture looks to me like the one that should have been used on the august 2024 wt but was pulled at the last minute and released with a different picture many weeks later.
someone on here uploaded a low res version of the picture last year.. of course we all know why the picture was pulled in the first place........ george.
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slimboyfat
I see, so originally it was as if the angels were telling the sister to stop shunning and go talk to the disfellowshipped sister. Wow. Weird.
Still lots of questions, like why does the husband look like he’s unaware? Are only sisters sensitive to promptings from angels not to shun.