Posts by slimboyfat

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What is this?

by Achille in

this image is from "the watchtower" july 2024 (study edition):i can't figure out what that object is that is between the sleeping apostles.wath is it?

a stick, a scroll of the scriptures?

....

slimboyfat

Oh for crying out loud. Are they for real?? 😳

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Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

by Rivergang in

on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

JWs are growing faster than the population in developed countries, or in countries such as Poland, Italy, Japan and South Korea, where the overall population is in decline, they are declining more slowly than the general population, or keeping steady, whereas the general population is in decline.

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Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

by Rivergang in

on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

slimboyfat

But at no greater rate than that of the population in general.

That’s incorrect. JWs are growing faster than the general population and always have done except for a couple of years during the disruption of the pandemic. The latest figures are JWs grew at 2.4% compared with world population growth of 0.9%.

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What the new JW light position really is 👍

by ElderBerry in

i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

as my fellow elders are.

we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

slimboyfat

There is some irony in the fact that as WT loosens its grip and becomes more liberal, those who have already left WT become even angrier at WT and those who stay in the religion. You’d think reforms would be welcome and encouraged to go further if impact on current and future JWs is the paramount concern, but for some who have already left WT any reforms are simply an affront in view of their past experiences and nothing but the entire collapse of the religion will satisfy.

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Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

by Rivergang in

on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

slimboyfat

Only a small fraction of Mormons preach whereas all active JWs preach, fewer than 100,000 Mormons missionaries compared with 8 million plus JWs who preach, nearly 2 million of them pioneers.

Mormons are in decline in the UK and many other developed countries whereas JWs have steady numbers or are increasingly slightly, in particular among immigrant communities.

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"Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!

by Nathan Natas in

years ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.

a fake.

cart work is everywhere.

slimboyfat

Me neither. I remember watching the scenario unfold with some amusement at the time. I can't remember the details but it seemed pretty clear it was an elaborate hoax by admittedly somewhat affable showman. I trust my earlier judgment on that without feeling any need to go back and check and relive the experience all over again. Some pretty unlikely people are right about a few things it and doesn't make it generalizable. Hitler was pretty good and arguably ahead of his time on environmental concerns and animals rights, to choose the most outrageous, and somewhat inappropriate example, it doesn't justify any "he was proved right" scale revision.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

slimboyfat

Many people leave JWs and are better for it. Some leave and it turns out for the worse. Others stay in for various reasons with mixed results. I don't see leaving or staying as unqualified achievements on themselves, it's how you go about it and how you treat people along the way. He views the number of deconversions to his credit as a kind of badge of honour, but people who leave and go on to treat people the way he has treated his family, and slave workers in his business, and at a various resorts, might as well not bother and it's not anything to shout about just because you "left" or supposedly got someone else to leave.

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The Apostles Creed vs. Watchtower

by Sea Breeze in

the apostles creed could be recited in less than a minute in latin.

it was like an ancient youtube video clip: christianity in less than a minute.

it is very ancient, reaching back to the 200's.

slimboyfat

Many of your observations are not factual or miss the point. For example, Watchtower has described Jesus as “our Lord” many hundreds of times, as any search will show.

And JWs do use the biblical phrase “God the Father”. What they don’t do is follow the Trinitarian inflection of pairing it with the non-biblical phrase “God the Son”, and the habit of divorcing the phrase from its context, such as instances where Paul refers to “God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” showing that even as Lord, Jesus looks to another as his God; or 1 Cor 8.6 where “God the Father” is equated with the “one God” of the Bible, rather than merely one person of the one God, as per Trinitarian dogma.

And JWs agree that Jesus was in Hell/Hades for three days, they just have a different understanding of what that means.

In all I think JWs could agree with most of the Apostles Creed. There’s no Trinity in it at all, which is striking, but should not be entirely surprising because the Trinity hadn’t been invented yet.

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"Johnny The Bethelite" - VINDICATED!

by Nathan Natas in

years ago rick fearon hosted on his six screens podcast a person identified as "johnny the bethelite" who talked about goings-on in watchtower headquarters.. johnny talked about the experiments with cart work.. johnny talked about pedophiles and child pornography in jw headquarters.. people claimed "johnny" was a fraud.

a fake.

cart work is everywhere.

slimboyfat

Um, I think you’re leaving some stuff out there, Nathan 😆

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JWs and the Lord's Prayer

by punkofnice in

how often do you hear the lord's prayer at the meetings or in jw homes?.

i don't know if they revised their stance with the new leaders in america, but i don't recall it having much weight when i were a wee'un.. i think the nwt said, 'pray then, this way....'.

so, jesus gave instructions on how to pray, as in actual words to say.......so the jws don't?

slimboyfat

They recited the Lord’s Prayer until the 1940s, or 1950s in some places. Nowadays they emphasise putting prayer into your own words and not reciting repetitious prayers as Jesus warned against.