What the new JW light position really is šŸ‘

by ElderBerry 42 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ElderBerry
    ElderBerry

    Iā€™m still an elder and I consider myself JW light. As my fellow elders are. We donā€™t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, itā€™s all very easy going these days. We know a lot of stuff goes on in the congregation that in the past would have been a talk in the back room. But these days we ask do you want the elders to have a chat about this? If they say no then thatā€™s the end of it. If they say yes then we just want to be good friends and see if we can help at all.

    if it I a judicial matter then the elders have to do everything possible to get them to stay in the cong. The worst that could happen is a 90 day rest and then the elders do everything to get them to return.

    Itā€™s actually very easy being an elder these days. You could turn upto any meeting with zero preparation and give any item. Itā€™s all done for you there is no thinking required anymore.

    so much has changed over the last few years. Even the most devoted are now what JW light was years ago, and the real new JW light brigade are now properly JW light. They do shadow birthday celebrations and ignore most of the directions from the fat old men in upstate NY.

    Ministry groups are just social get togethers, an excuse to meet up and ā€˜go on the territoryā€™ park witnessing or street witnessing for ten mins then back for coffee break.

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  • TonusOH
    TonusOH

    I suppose that JW light is one step removed from JW-has-seen-the-light. There is one thing better than pretending not to be in a high control cult, after all.

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  • careful
    careful

    Wow, what a testimony! Thanks for the share. Quite revealing.

    That said, I must ask something based on this:

    You could turn up to any meeting with zero preparation and give any item. Itā€™s all done for you there is no thinking required anymore.

    Is this supposed to be some kind of virtue? How does that jibe with the advice at Heb. 5:14?

    "Solid food belongs to mature people, those who have .. have had their perceptive powers trained to distinguish right from wrong." The implication here seems to mean individual thinking, not some "parrot what we've laid out here."

    Then there are all those proverbs that encourage one to seek out wisdom personally, obviously in the context of studying, and Ezra's example of studying the Law himself in order to teach his fellow Jews? (7:10)

    I'm not finding fault with you. Rather I'm hoping to get you question how you personally are measuring upā€”or notā€”to the scriptural requirements of your position. The GB and their ever-obedient underlings/devotees have designed a system of exterior efficiency. Is this all you want, "Itā€™s all done for you; there is no thinking required anymore"?

    Is that what Jehovah wants, brainless robots/parrots?

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  • carla
    carla

    Elderberry, you make it all sound so non-chalant, no big deal. YOU and all the other elders still have enormous control over the diehard jw's and you full well know it. I know how much control the elders have over my jw and it disgusts me what this damn cult have done to a good man. Shame on you. Stand up for what is right even if YOU lose all your family and friends. Then you can come back and tell us how meaningless this cult really is.

    "They do shadow birthday celebrations..."- Why don't you have the balls to come out and fully celebrate? oh, you don't want to lose your entire family, possible income, home and entire being?

    I can't even tell you how hard I am trying right now not to tell you how I really feel.

    No, I take that back, you are a spineless sack of shit that doesn't have a Godly bone in your body.

    I hope you have a long night of the soul if you ever thought of the damage you are doing by participating in this cult in a position of authority - child sexual abuse is on YOU, the destroyed marriages is on YOU, the destroyed parental/child relationships are on YOU and the many, many suicides (including members here) are on YOU. You don't get to say, "I was just following orders" because you have a choice.

    When good men do nothing evil prevails, are you a good man?

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  • Athanasius
    Athanasius

    Your post is cruel regarding ElderBerry. He doesn't deserve harsh criticism because he decided to stay behind.

    Keep in mind that some good men can do more good fighting evil by working inside the Borg. Who do you think provides the confidential Watchtower correspondence and keeps us updated on what is happening within the congregations?

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  • carla
    carla

    That is great if those who do that, do it without flaunting how damn easy their life is in the borg. Those who don't flaunt how funny it is that they get to celebrate holidays and do other no-no's that the r & f would be 'removed' or marked for. Can he give me and my family back all the holidays and special occasions with our family over the years or even now? no. Can my jw do as he appears to be able to do because he holds authority of being an elder? no, mine would be flogged and become the congregational leper as would any low level r & f member.

    If he has sat on a judicial meeting or whatever they want to call it now and let a known, admitted pedophile back into the cong and society at large knocking on my door and that said pedophile in fact molests/rapes another child then, yes, he is partially responsible and should be held accountable for allowing a pedophile to continue. Especially if he warned parents of the child not to go to the authorities because it will give a jah a bad name as was jw custom for many, many years.

    The elders that had a few 'ideas' for my husband.... I hold them fully accountable for their damn ungodly stupid ideas.

    You may not understand that when people like jw's or other cults manage to pull someone into their cult it does not only affect that one person. There are many involved, like spouses, children, in-laws, parents, siblings, employment and the list goes on. Not to mention the future and lost opportunities because some elder thought something might be 'bad' idea or a 'good' christian wouldn't do such a thing.

    But Elderberry? he apparently can live the 'double life' my jw has talked about and despises. Even he can see the hypocrisy and find it distasteful. But being the 'good' loyal jw he is, he would never believe an elder capable of such a thing. After all, they are appointed by God Himself right? (or the Holy Spirit?) you get the point.

    Is my opinion cruel? bitter? perhaps. Do the suicides, rapes, domestic abuses, disfellowshiping/removal and general abuses by jw's ever keep you up at night? they do me.

    If the o.p is saying jwlight is ok now then make it ok and say so publically. Please send out the memo so even the older loyal diehards get the new 'light'. Make all our lives as nonchalant and easy breezy like his.

    And if you still think I am just being harsh I suggest you read some of the suicide threads and what led up to them due to being a jw or trying to leave. Then come and have a discussion about elders who live double lives while their so called sheep and their families suffer the consequences of them being involved in this insidious cult.

    What would happen if all the elders/ms stepped down at one time?

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  • joey jojo
    joey jojo

    Elderberry, Im interested to know if the amount of overall hours has declined since the need to no longer report.

    What is the turn-out like at meetings for field service?

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  • a watcher
    a watcher

    I'm still doing the same number of hours as I did before the change, but I may do less in the future.

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  • liam
    liam

    carla -------I agree with what you said.

    What matters is that those who continue to support the Watchtower in ANY WAY or FORM, continue to give them power to stay in business and condemn THOUSANDS to death with their no...

    Blood policy

    Shunning policy

    Free labor policy

    No Higher Education policy

    Retirement disastrous Policy

    Plus the MILLIONS of lives it has destroyed, including most that post here and threw 20-30-40-50 years of their life away, serving a criminal organization who sole purpose is to deceive people into believing they are GOD'S ONLY CHANNEL FOR SALVATION,

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  • carla
    carla

    Thanks.

    I understand those who cannot leave, my heart aches for all those stuck in.

    Just please, please understand that if you are 'in' living that double life, don't come to a board that has been filled with suicide, abuse and all out heartache on a daily basis telling us how great is that you, in a high position, learned how to game the system and get to live the life of Riley (what ever that really is). Not when there are those here that have truly suffered at the hands/minds of the jw cult. Those who have lost friends due to suicide because of the jw cult, lost children/family due to the blood policy or those who have had to go to great lengths to make sure you didn't. Have you had to explain in spy mode to your family how and why you need to protect chldren/ grandchildren/ nieces/nephews etc... so that your jw will not sacrifice family on the altar of the no blood jw altar? How mainstream people cannot wrap their heads around such a thing? You will become the nutcase because jw's are just a quirky bunch that carry a Bible and speak softly for the most part. Mainstream society doesn't care or want to look behind the curtain.

    If you are some sort of spy then good for you and thank you. Take it seriously, because there are those of us who have had to go to great lengths to protect our families and children from the policies of the gb. First we had to learn the absolute insanity of this org and then the language which is completely different than mainstream life and biblical standards. We too have to go undercover to see what is possibly coming next for ourselves and our loved ones, that is why we make our way here and other ex jw boards. We too have helped jw's escape, find lawyers and or find cases that may help with child custody cases or lent an ear and shoulder to someone who doesn't know how to escape.

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