Well I’m pretty confident their results were accurate in my case. A relative also used 23andme and their results made sense in comparison with mine, in that we shared the aspects we would expect to share. The reason we chose 23andme is because Adam Rutherford from Radio 4 recommended it as accurate.
slimboyfat
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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors
by Earnest intonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.
it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.
they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.
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A non-Witnes who accepts 607 BC?
by careful inan eyebrow raiser to be sure.
i can understand the clergyman being so baptist that he'd still use the name jehovah since it was popular in english and german churches for a long time during and after the reformation, but 607?.
see ¶ 6 under the heading "the historicity of the book of daniel".
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slimboyfat
The thing that floored me about the seventy years was in the Isaiah books, where it talks about another “seventy years” in the Bible and says it just means a period of time and not exactly 70 years. But if the other 70 years wasn’t exact, why should this one about the exile be exact? No explanation was offered.
I lost the reference for this, but I think it’s in the Isaiah books.
Incidentally, I remember some brothers commenting that the Isaiah books were not as substantial as the older literature, and repetitive. But compared to nowadays, the Isaiah books were positively sophisticated!
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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors
by Earnest intonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.
it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.
they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.
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slimboyfat
I’m going to watch it now.
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Is there evidence about Jaracz?
by Gorbatchov inread some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.
g..
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slimboyfat
Was Ted Jaracz removed as branch overseer in Australia? Is that verifiable? If so, do we know the reason why he was removed?
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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors
by Earnest intonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.
it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.
they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.
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slimboyfat
In my experience, and from what I’ve read, 23andme are spot on, down to what generation comes from France, identifying relatives, shape of ears, beard colour and whatever else.
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Regional Convention New Releases
by pixel inthe new releases for the regional convention are out at the borg's page.
but remember, you can not see them unless first you attend....
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slimboyfat
It's almost as if they’ve run out of money and can’t afford to produce more.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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slimboyfat
Morph I notice you made no comment on the census figures.
2001 in Canada 155,000 JWs
2011 in Canada 138,000 JWs
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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slimboyfat
Morph you do realise that there’s no such thing as a congregation with one person? You are not even making sense, which always a good indication that it’s time to rethink your position. If you can’t explain your view without resorting to nonsense it should tell you something.
I just realised that one unrealistic part of the scenario I provided above is necessarily the reduction in pioneers. In reality I think pioneer numbers have increased in recent years. But once again this just shows you need to be careful with definitions and numbers. When I was young being a pioneer really meant something and often included people who significantly altered their work/family/life situations in order to spend considerable amounts of time going door to door. Nowadays there may be more pioneers but they are largely auxiliary pioneers who spend 50 hours or less per month, and they are mostly older people who don’t need to alter their life situations in any significant way in order to claim the badge of pioneer. They don’t even need to do all that much ministry these days because of carts. A whole generation of baby boomer JW have claimed the badge of “pioneer” as a sort of retirement pastime. Which is significantly different from what it used to be. So comparing raw numbers in this case, once again, is not comparing like with like.
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How far will they go?
by Gorbatchov inimagine: you have inside information that could destroy the watchtower corporations.. how far would they go to protect the assets?.
would they kill?
no strange question in blackwater etc days.. g..
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slimboyfat
Sir82, why should individual publishers be the unit that defines growth or decline? I know this is an extremely difficult concept to challenge in our individualistic society, but it is difficult to justify when you really think about it. Not all individuals are equal. If you swap 100 zealous individuals for 100 who couldn’t care less, is that really equivalent?
Consider a scenario where you have a congregation of 50 publishers who are very zealous, half of them are pioneers, fifteen elders, broad range of ages, lots of ministry, over 100% attendance at meeting, Bible studies, fantastic donations and so on.
Same congregation, thirty years later, still 50 publishers (including 15 minute reports) now mostly older publishers, only 1 pioneer, 2 elders, hardly any ministry, only 70% at meetings, donations barely cover costs.
As a resul this congregation is merged with another congregation. According to your reckoning no “decline” as such has taken place here, because the publisher number is the same. Yet I think we are missing something pretty significant if we don’t observe that the merging of congregations in a scenario like this is, at a very deep and significant level, definitely an indication of “decline”. The interesting thing is, the scenario I described above is actually not far from the reality in some congregations!
The number of congregations is a much better indication of vitality, growth or decline, precisely because it measures much more than just the number of individuals involved, which frankly can be much more easily manipulated or misrepresented. It captures something of the level of commitment and direction of travel too. If you say “won’t the programme of consolidation give a false impression of decline?” My response is: the programme of consolidation is a result of massive decline.
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What do you think?
by JRK inif a decades-long apostate decides that they should marry a semi-active jw, what odds would you put on the viability of the marriage?
if not viable, how long before the shit would hit the fan?
jk.
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slimboyfat
Entirely depends, I should imagine. Not enough information to go on.