Posts by slimboyfat

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STOP treating Watchtower Bible & Tract SOCIETY as a RELIGION

by Nathan R. Koppe in

"the watchtower society is not a religious society for 👥 public worship, such as a ⛪️ church, but is a 💲 business corporation..."

➡️ please use and demonstrate this if you are involved in any legal action, it's not about religious rights and freedom, this is where they are 'fooling' their followers and authorities❗️

➡️ the purpose of disfellowshipping, disassociating and shunning are 'legalistic and pharisaical tricks' to 'name and shame' anyone asking (the right) questions about it's biblical teachings (aka) doctrines, (abuse) policies and the real truth about the 'truth' (aka apostate)❗️

slimboyfat

How is this different than other religions?

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"Its not about the numbers...Its about Love"

by Solzhenitsyn in

in the org did anyone ever tell you that its not about the numbers...yet the reality was that it was all about the numbers?.

i ran into a pimi who asked why my family and i were awol.

i told him that it was private and personal and i wasn't at liberty to discuss it.

slimboyfat

Less than it used to be. Watchtowers, Yearbooks, Kingdom Ministries, other publications and talks used to be filled with statistics. Now, hardly any.

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Governing Body - Time in Ministry

by Peeringin in

is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

slimboyfat

Weren’t some of the GB 1.0 well known for doing regular street preaching round Brooklyn: Franz, Barry, Poetzinger, as mentioned, and people like that.

Has Paul Gillies been appointed to the GB yet? I wonder if he goes on the ministry. Maybe he’s lacking hours!

I'm tempted to start a thread “has Paul Gillies been appointed to the GB yet?” Just to see if it influences his promotion. Or, “why hasn’t Paul Gillies been appointed yet?” Or, “has apostate speculation ruined Paul Gillies’ rise to the GB?”

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What is the biggest doctrinal mistake made by the Watchtower /JWorg. ?

by Finkelstein in

personally i think it is 1914 and the following " this generation " doctrine.. this particular doctrine went right against jesus's own words of " no one knows of the time not even he " .

he also admonished his true followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time .. the leaders of the wts even back to the late 1800's set a time calculated on their own theology 1874 being the first time set and proclaimed by c t russell, also proclaiming 1914 would likely be the year of the final day of judgment armageddon.

all throughout the 20th century the wts held to this doctrine but was eventually revised of course when it was realized this generation had passed away who saw the events of 1914. .

slimboyfat

I think shunning is the biggest teaching mistake: unloving, unnecessary, and will ultimately be their undoing, if they don’t abandon it.

The generation teaching has been a huge liability for two or three decades now, but we shouldn’t forget that it was also huge motivation for people to join JWs and preach the JW message from the 1940s through to the 1980s when millions were baptised as JWs.

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Organized To Do Jehovah’s Will - Book.

by Lost in the fog in

did you know that the current organization book for jws is available to freely download from their jw(dot)org website?

seemingly gone are the days when it was treated with the same secrecy as the holy grail and wasn't shown to a bible student unless they were genuinely considering baptism.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/organized-to-do-jehovahs-will/.

slimboyfat

Notice on this page it has a list of publications, with subheading “organisation instructions” which includes the elders books from 1991.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200276167#h=956

Why does it include the 1991 elders books, but none of the more recent elders books?

It looks like one possible expanation for breaking the silence here on the 1991 book, is simply the fact that a picture of this book appears in the Proclaimers book, so it’s already “out there”. Even so, it seems a bit arbitrary, what they mention, and what remains secret.

Selective secrecy gets confusing.

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

slimboyfat

In street photography the general rule is that if people are in public then they can be photographed, but often with exceptions for children, homeless people, and obviously no lewd angles, against which specific laws now apply. But shops, restaurants, libraries, and most places not literally “on the street” don’t count as public places. So JWs at carts are generally fair game for being photographed under general “street photography” conventions, since they are literally standing in public. Laws of course are bound to have all sorts of peculiarities and variations in different places, but these are very general rules of street photography.

I wrote this poem about street photography last week. 😉

Street Photography

I would love to be a street photographer

And capture the moment for posterity

I could play visual jokes

Using juxtaposition

And create something beautiful

By standing in the right place

Probably against the flow

And daring to be conspicuous

If absolutely needs be

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

slimboyfat

I like street photography, but among many street photographers it’s frowned upon to photograph homeless people in particular without permission, because they are a particularly vulnerable group and don’t have access to private spaces as most others do. Plus they are a bit too easy a target for street photographers to photograph to create this or that effect or statement, often agendas bearing little relation to what is actually important in the life of the person being photographed.

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Baptism Question #2 Verified and Changed.

by truthlover123 in

pimo verified this at the latest assembly attended.

check on this forum.

he was giving us attendance and baptism info and this was a side note... it is noted by another that when the question was asked after assembly was over, non seemed to hear the change.

slimboyfat

Bizarre change, we may never know the reason why.

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Why the Catholic Church outlast Jehovah's Witnesses

by no-zombie in

many of us who are old timers in "truth", will clearly remember how we and the organization gloated when christendom began selling off their churches, as we saw many ending up becoming cafe's and art galleries.

i personally remember being told (both in general conversation and in print) that the fall of their congregant numbers meant that most churches were ultimately attended by the elderly and it was clearly linked to the "drying up of her waters" in reference to the fall of babylon and babylon the great..

how ironic, that this very situation has now befallen the society and our local kingdom halls..

slimboyfat

Another one smiddy3: how come Jesus taught his followers to pray for God’s will to be done “on earth as it is in heaven” if Satan still lived in heaven and would only be thrown out of heaven in 1914? Is there an official Watchtower answer to that problem?

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Subliminal Messaging

by truthlover123 in

for over 20 years subliminal pictures showed up in most books, wt, and awakes- eighties, nineties and into 2000's.... demons, gods, you name it-- .

question: is anyone seeing anything like this in todays publications?

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slimboyfat

Could be Hebrew - gimel, chet, lamed, dalet, vav... don’t know. Is there a word there?

I’m very skeptical about hidden images. The mind sees patterns everywhere. Patterns throw up faces and other images, or even words from time to time. It’s pretty difficult to demonstrate that any particular example is likely deliberate, in my view. Not convinced the black penis was deliberate, for example. But it’s entirely plausible it was removed when someone pointed it out.

Having said that, Watchtower artists probably do insert things in their drawings, which is pretty common among artists generally. In fact I think Watchtower admitted this and cracked down on it in the 1980s. (The famous statement that a GB member would monitor the images) So from another perspective it’s not a big deal either.