Which is not to say that WT might not try to effect a harder line on shunning through informal channels and verbal communications to elders. They may well try to do that, but they may find they have limited success readjusting the behaviour of JWs in general with that strategy, because, as many see it, the wording of the Watchtower has granted them permission to stop shunning if they wish.
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Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?
by Sea Breeze ininteresting video connects the dots.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.
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Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?
by Sea Breeze ininteresting video connects the dots.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.
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slimboyfat
The trouble with elders being told in private that shunning should continue is that ordinary JWs, in particular sisters, won’t get the memo. I know local sisters who paid very close attention to the wording of the recent WT on shunning and have already adjusted their behaviour toward disfellowshipped relatives and acquaintances accordingly. If in future elders come around and tell them to knock it off and resume shunning in full then I think they’ll have some difficulty because, as they see it, they have written permission in black and white in the WT itself to stop shunning. The only way to turn that around, as far as I can see, is for another WT to be published that fully reinstates the old policies and for the old shunning videos to be reposted and endorsed all over again. But the cat’s out the bag and I can’t see that happening now.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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Well he made a pitch for 200 more suckers to send him more money. It looks like he’s got about 40 - that’s around 20% of the target. Plus we will see how many drop off at the end of the month.
He said he needed 570 to be “sustainable” and not be “forced” to issue yet more begging videos. Is that an implicit promise to pack it in if he stays well below 570? Because he doesn’t look like anywhere near that. In reality he will probably still be collecting money from any remaining donors years after he’s stopped producing videos altogether.
Notice how he said that Ad revenue gets him $1200 a month but he didn’t mention how much his patron and other begging measures generate. In one sense that’s odd because it was patron numbers he was aiming to increase. On the other hand, perhaps he believes that if he revealed how much patrons already send him each month then people would be less inclined to send him any more. So it’s a pretty cynical partial disclosure of his financial situation.
Whatever tricks he pulls, it seems pretty clear he’s making less money out of begging this year than he did last year, and that he’ll make less money from begging next year than he did this year. That’s got to be depressing. Has he got any kind of plan to get out of this spiral? Two obvious plans would be improve his channel or else find a job instead. He doesn’t give any indication of doing either. 🤷♂️
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Did Tony Morris Get Sideways with His Bros.?
by Sea Breeze ininteresting video connects the dots.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff1ibybfe4&t=205s&pp=2ahnazacaq%3d%3d.
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slimboyfat
Seems plausible.
It’s amusing if the GB have contrived to bring about the worst of all worlds for themselves where they have failed to convince governments that their policy on shunning has actually changed (because technically it hasn’t) but ordinary JWs have perceived the new wording as permission to end shunning if they wish.
They were perhaps aiming for a formulation of words that allowed them to pretend the policy had substantially changed while keeping the practice in place, but may have ended up with the reverse.
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Biden gives the order to Zelenskyy to Use the long range missiles to hit the interior of Russian territory
by liam inthe war in ukraine has now escalated.
europe is now talking of getting involved in the war to curb the north korean armies that are helping russia.
putin has warned that this will now give him no choice but to retaliate against nato nations.. the biden administration and the democrats in congress want to make sure that the war escalates to such a point that trump won't be able to bring peace to the war in ukraine.
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slimboyfat
Oh yeah, this is going to end well. Having a world was nice while it lasted. 🌎
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Oh for crying out loud how long is this going to drag on? 🙄
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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity
by joey jojo inthis is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.
the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.
at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.
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slimboyfat
Yes, Earnest, and as well as burning and suppressing earlier works that didn’t align with later Nicene theology, another tactic was to rewrite earlier works to make them appear more orthodox Trinitarian. Rufinus, for example, rewrote works by Origen to temper his subordinationist theology to an extent that in many instances it is difficult to know where later orthodox statements have been interpolated in Origen’s work, or where indeed statements or passages inconvenient for later Nicene theology have been removed altogether.
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Pre-Nicene christians and the trinity
by joey jojo inthis is just a quick summary that might be useful regarding the threads about the trinity currently on the board.. in 325 ce, the nicene council was called by constantine to settle schisms within the christian church.
the argument about the nature of jesus in relation to god was one of the big problems that needed resolution.
at first, constantine told the 2 main players, alexander and arius to sort it out between themselves, as he, constantine didnt see it as overly important.
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slimboyfat
Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea. The burning of Arian books is illustrated above. Drawing on vellum. From MS CLXV, Biblioteca Capitolare, Vercelli, a compendium of canon law produced in northern Italy ca. 825.
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The unending and fruitless argument on Trinity
by Longlivetherenegades inthose who say they are christians or follow christianity needs .
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2. jesus .
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What do you mean Rivergang? aqwsed is on the verge of acknowledging that the Trinity is wrong and Jesus was created. He’ll come round any day now can’t you see that? -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
by Simon inuh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
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slimboyfat
Thanks, those are some wild headlines indeed.