Posts by slimboyfat

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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.

by BoogerMan in

(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".

(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).

(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".

slimboyfat

Good questions. The obvious answers are that God knows the time because he’s God, Jesus doesn’t know the time because he isn’t God, and the holy spirit isn’t mentioned because it isn’t a person.

A related passage that is interesting to consider is Revelation 14:14-16

14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Consider what is going on here. The “son of man”, traditionally viewed as an angelic figure in Judaism of the period, is identified as Jesus in the NT. The text says “another angel” came with a message for “the son of man” from God. Some commentators point out the implication that indeed “the son of man” is an angelic being who is here approached by “another angel”. And what message does the angel bring to the angelic “son of man”? He announces that the time for the harvest has arrived. In other words God conveys to Jesus that the time of the end has arrived by means of an angel entrusted with this message, which is in harmony with Jesus’s own words you quoted that only the Father knows the time, not the angels, nor even the Son, until God reveals it.

In turn this comports with Revelation 1:1 which speaks about a revelation which God gave to Jesus in order to share with John. Again this demonstrates definitively that God is greater in knowledge than the Son because he shares his knowledge with him. In John 8:28 Jesus also states plainly that he says the things the Father taught him, again showing that God is superior in knowledge to Jesus. It is such a clear teaching in the NT and a huge problem for the Trinity doctrine which teaches that God and Jesus are equal in knowledge.

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"Perfect Angels"? A Subtle Shift in Watchtower Doctrine — And Why It Matters

by raymond frantz in

"perfect angels"?

a subtle shift in watchtower doctrine — and why it matters.

quoted paragraph from the watchtower september 2025, study article 38, paragraph 12:.

slimboyfat

raymond frantz, take the opportunity to learn from feedback, especially when it’s from people mean well. There are few things more valuable …

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Applying the facial hair change in New Order portrayals

by careful in

i have a hard time watching the org's vids and reading the publications.

however, that's not the case with others here.

hence this post.

slimboyfat

A thought occurred to me - if patriarchs are depicted with trim beards in the new system instead of traditional epic beards, then how would we even know they are even meant to be patriarchs? I guess their dress would be a clue. But then why wouldn’t their dress be modified too? Bottom line is these depictions are meant to give impressions they are not intended to be a completely accurate portrayal of what a documentary photographer would find in the new system. The long beards are useful as a shorthand signifier of an OT resurrected person. For that reason alone they’ll probably stay.

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"Perfect Angels"? A Subtle Shift in Watchtower Doctrine — And Why It Matters

by raymond frantz in

"perfect angels"?

a subtle shift in watchtower doctrine — and why it matters.

quoted paragraph from the watchtower september 2025, study article 38, paragraph 12:.

slimboyfat

Watchtower is so busy with stuff that is actually going on in recent years, from court cases, to beards, to shunning/not shunning, to last minute salvation at Armageddon, to sisters wearing trousers, to a GB member getting removed, to not counting time. So many things have been going on that are worth scrutinising, why on earth invent an imaginary change to talk about?

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"Perfect Angels"? A Subtle Shift in Watchtower Doctrine — And Why It Matters

by raymond frantz in

"perfect angels"?

a subtle shift in watchtower doctrine — and why it matters.

quoted paragraph from the watchtower september 2025, study article 38, paragraph 12:.

slimboyfat

It just means the angels who didn’t disobey. In JW understanding “perfect” means sinless. There is nothing new here.

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Trump: "Too many holidays"

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

“too many non-working holidays in america.

it is costing our country $billions of dollars to keep all of these businesses closed,” the president wrote in a truth social post..

“the workers don’t want it either,” he added.

slimboyfat

Too right, let’s end weekends and reintroduce child labour too. Some people say children shouldn’t be made to work? Let the market decide! Don’t like your working conditions? Then why not start your own business and make your own rules, loser.

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Predictions for the next decade?

by jehovaxx in

as it’s nearly the new year my prediction over the next decade or so will see the sense of urgency dwindle.

then some huge huge changes.

for example by 2034 in a decades time, they will have address the 1914 issue and will come out and say we can’t be dogmatic.

slimboyfat

Predictions like that seem to assume those in leadership don’t really believe in the religion and only really care about money. I can’t see any evidence for that. Most of the leaders do seem to believe in the religion. They care about money too, of course, because if they run out of it that will harm the organisation. But saying they want money at the expense of the organisation doesn’t make much sense.

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Few JW leader have children

by slimboyfat in

it’s been discussed before that few jw leaders, past and present, have had children.

this is in contrast with other groups, such as the mormons, whose leaders have had a lot of children.

i wonder if this has impacted jw growth.

slimboyfat

Ah, how did I miss that!

I found similar on Reddit. Two of those six children were step children, apparently.

Guy Pierce might be more interesting than the surviving GB members. He had two children with his first wife, then they divorced in early 1976. Coincidence, right after the 1975 debacle? He the married his second wife Penny, who also had two children. Then they had two children together. His widow Penny was interviewed at last year's convention. The unusual thing about Guy is that he has grandchildren. One of them shared some interesting information on Cedars' blog, indicating he was a pretty normal grandpa. But he does look a bit like Herman Munster to me.

He looked like Grampa Munster (uncanny!) not Herman Munster.

Does anybody have more information on any of the other GB members, even if just to rule out that they had children?

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After watching this. All I can say is be thankful you were a JW.

by joe134cd in

https://youtu.be/tmcl4gizjii?si=xoapw8c1nug_ffuz.

slimboyfat

The video, audio, and even the script appear to be AI generated. Can it be trusted to be accurate?

It’s probably accurate in the main points but I wouldn’t trust AI on any details without double checking.

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Applying the facial hair change in New Order portrayals

by careful in

i have a hard time watching the org's vids and reading the publications.

however, that's not the case with others here.

hence this post.

slimboyfat

When was the announcement on beards made?

From what I can find it was December 2023.

So the image in the January 2024 Watchtower is in a publication that is dated after the announcement, but it would have been released before the announcement, and probably produced by the artist some time before that.

But I love the idea of a bearded patriarch being resurrected to Norway for light refreshments and a Bible Study on a balcony overlooking a fjord. 🥖 🥤 🏔️