by BoogerMan 66 Replies latest watchtower bible
(Matthew 24:36) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."
(Jesus seems to have forgotten to include the Holy Spirit not knowing either)
(Acts 1:7) "He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction."
(Why no mention of 'God the Son's' or 'God the Holy Spirit's' jurisdiction???????)
Good questions. The obvious answers are that God knows the time because he’s God, Jesus doesn’t know the time because he isn’t God, and the holy spirit isn’t mentioned because it isn’t a person.
A related passage that is interesting to consider is Revelation 14:14-16
14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16 So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
Consider what is going on here. The “son of man”, traditionally viewed as an angelic figure in Judaism of the period, is identified as Jesus in the NT. The text says “another angel” came with a message for “the son of man” from God. Some commentators point out the implication that indeed “the son of man” is an angelic being who is here approached by “another angel”. And what message does the angel bring to the angelic “son of man”? He announces that the time for the harvest has arrived. In other words God conveys to Jesus that the time of the end has arrived by means of an angel entrusted with this message, which is in harmony with Jesus’s own words you quoted that only the Father knows the time, not the angels, nor even the Son, until God reveals it.
In turn this comports with Revelation 1:1 which speaks about a revelation which God gave to Jesus in order to share with John. Again this demonstrates definitively that God is greater in knowledge than the Son because he shares his knowledge with him. In John 8:28 Jesus also states plainly that he says the things the Father taught him, again showing that God is superior in knowledge to Jesus. It is such a clear teaching in the NT and a huge problem for the Trinity doctrine which teaches that God and Jesus are equal in knowledge.
The obvious answers are that God knows the time because he’s God, Jesus doesn’t know the time because he isn’t God
Wrong.
A Trinitarian would reply that God, the Father has not spoken the words of end of time yet, so the Son doesn’t know what hasn’t been spoken.
(Matthew 24:36) “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."
Ohhh noooooos. I guess you found a scripture Trinitarians overlooked. Just wait until the Pope sees this verse. There's just no way to explain it.
Old Testament: You must love God with all your heart, all your soul and all your strength.-Deuteronomy 6:5
Genesis 17:17-Abraham said in his heart, "Will a man 100 years old have a child born to him, and will Sarah, a woman 90 years old give birth?" - This definitely sounds like inner dialog and would be a product of the mind.
The heart and the mind are the same per the old testament.
Jesus then says it a different way. -Matthew 22:37
New Testament: You must love God with your whole heart, with your whole soul and with your whole mind.
Why the need to toss out the word "strength" when heart and mind are already covered with one word?
Is the God of the Mosaic Law and Jesus not on the same page?
The obvious answers are that God knows the time because he’s God, Jesus doesn’t know the time because he isn’t God, and the holy spirit isn’t mentioned because it isn’t a person.
I guess you found a scripture Trinitarians overlooked. Just wait until the Pope sees this verse. There's just no way to explain it.
There are literally dozens of scriptures that refute the Trinity, possibly even hundreds, but that hasn't stopped them until now. Even this thread shows there will be no end to Trinitarians trying to use contorted arguments or fancy diagrams to illustrate what cannot be illustrated or explained, because it is simply false.
That's why I usually stay out of these interminable debates, but I have to admit sometimes it's amusing to drop in and see how they get themselves worked up into a tizzy trying to explain the inexplicable. And failing that, they'll fall back on the old one: "It's a divine mystery!" 🤣
@ Sea Breeze:
According to Christian belief, Jesus was fully God while on earth. The concept of Jesus being fully God and fully human at the same time is a core Christian belief, known as the Incarnation. This means that Jesus, while on Earth, possessed both divine attributes, like omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. This is a central tenet of the Trinity doctrine, which describes God as one being existing in three co-equal persons.
In other words, the trinity dogma accuses Jesus of lying/deceiving his followers in the quoted Scriptures.
Another "mystery" which needs explaining/dismissing.
Absolutely, not only does Jesus nowhere claim a dual nature, nor any of the Bible writers ever mention it, but he talks and acts as if he's either totally unaware of it or else deceiving his followers about it. Of course the simplest explanation is that the theory of dual nature was developed in order to explain away all the inconvenient texts for Trinitarians that imply and flat out state Jesus is not God. The dual natures theory wasn't fleshed out until the fifth century at the Council of Chalcedon in AD 451 and it's still got people puzzling to make it make sense.
Another little mystery:
If Jesus is God Almighty, how can he be described as the "Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)
Surely he'd be the king of peace?
