Posts by slimboyfat

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Slimboyfat: Why did you decide to write a topic on this site saying you were going back to the Jehovah's Witnesses?

by silentbuddha in

the topic concerning why the other user allows jw's by to eat is what prompted this thought in my mind.

maybe i am not remembering this correctly, but seem to remember a number of years ago that you decided to stop posting here and then all of a sudden you posted that this was an apostate website, you didn't want to be here, and that you were returning to jehovah.

( i may be slightly off, but it was something along those lines.. i am just wondering if you ever offered an explanation of why you did that?.

slimboyfat

That was so long ago I can hardly remember Buddha. 😉

What are we talking about more than 10 years ago or something?

It’s a bit complicated and probably still not worth talking about really. (In brief I was attempting to avoid DFing)

What is relevant and I could usefully say to you is that there are some things about JWs I disagree with and other things I do agree with and my views fluctuate over time. At the moment my attitude is JWs have a point on a lot of things and I have a darker view on the world in general than I’ve ever had.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

slimboyfat

What does “living a lie” mean? Don’t we all make compromises in this world? I walk down the street and people go about their ordinary business as if nothing is wrong, yet my country is flying planes from its military base in Cyprus to participate in genocide: the starving, bombing, and murdering of children in their tens of thousands. And yet it’s the brave people who dare to protest the genocide that are labelled terrorists, proscribed and thrown in prison. It is a dystopian nightmare when you really think about it. By acting as if this isn’t happening, or it is acceptable, or excusable, aren’t we all “living a lie”? A far worse lie than sitting in a KH seat I would suggest. In fact knowing the KH is home to people who refuse to support any war makes me far happier there than other places and groups acting as if it’s okay what our country is doing.

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

slimboyfat

Excellent research as always, Earnest, and human too!

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2 Peter 1: 1 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: simeon peter, a servant and apostle of jesus christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our god and savior jesus christ: - 2 peter 1: 1. here's how watchtower prints this verse:.

simon peter, a slave and an apostle of jesus christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our god and the savior jesus christ: - nwt.

why did watchtower change this verse by adding the word "the" ?.

slimboyfat

… and David Bentley Hart too, and Weymouth.

Back 20 years ago or so I read far more about Sharp’s Rule than any person reasonably should. My conclusion: 🤷‍♂️

However the text should be translated, once again, it’s fair to wonder why Trinitarians rely on such uncertain texts to build their doctrine.

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"Slimboyfat" response why I have Witnesses for dinner.

by Witness 007 in

he asked why we have them over for dinner....we are not disfellowshiped just faded away so we can still have dinner with witness friends now we have known for 10 years.

alot of "faders" do same.

you might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends..

slimboyfat

You might listen to afew dumb scriptures from them but still friends.

That’s funny you say they quote scripture at you. I wonder if you agree: you know you’re considered an outsider, or peripheral, if JWs drop scriptures into conversation, because when they are relaxed in social contexts among themselves it’s my observation that JWs rarely refer to scripture at all.

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

slimboyfat

More AI garbage. Get lost.

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

slimboyfat

Thank you for engaging so deeply and respectfully with these mysteries.

Good for them, but there is nothing respectful or deep about you continuing to spew your AI garbage all over the forum while expecting others to provide genuine and thoughtful responses. You are not just inconsiderate you are a pernicious parasite spreading nonsense masquerading as genuine conversation. What if others treated you the same way you treat them? The forum would consist of nothing but AI responses to other AI posts. A complete farce.

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

slimboyfat

I have, many times. It misrepresented Raymond Brown repeatedly. It said Brown didn’t think textual issues were important in Acts 20:28. Brown actually said the complete opposite that textual variants are the most important factor causing uncertainty in Acts 20:28. Then in response it said another thing Brown never said, and another, and on and on it goes. It’s completely unreliable and a complete waste of time.

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John 20: 28 in the NWT Calls Jesus God

by Sea Breeze in

in answer thomas said to him: “my lord and my god!

- john 20: 28 nwt.

why don't jehovah's witnesses believe jesus is god when he is called that in their own bible?.

slimboyfat

Well, for one thing it just makes you look ignorant and hypocritical to criticize AI when all search engines now employ it.

Search engines throw up good information and bad with no pretence of having vetted it for you. AI on the other hand stitches together truths and lies in a plausible narrative that makes it impossible to determine what parts can be trusted and what parts are complete garbage. The AI summary that search engines offer is very brief and focussed, but even it comes with an appropriate warning about unreliability:

AI responses may include mistakes. Learn more
How AI Overviews work
AI Overviews use generative AI, which is a type of artificial intelligence that learns patterns and structures from the data it is trained on and uses that to create something new. While exciting, this technology is rapidly evolving and improving, and may provide inaccurate or offensive information. AI Overviews can and will make mistakes.
Think critically about AI Overview responses. Explore results from multiple sources to fact-check important info.

It might be practical to quickly double check one piece of information from an AI search summary that is usually just a sentence or two. It is totally impractical to check each and every source in thousands of words of AI text on this forum to find out which parts are being grossly misrepresented as invariably some of it is.

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Acts 20: 28 Corruption in the NWT

by Sea Breeze in

here's how this verse should read: .

take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the holy ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of god, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

- kjvhere's how it reads in the nwt: pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of god, which he purchased with the blood of his own son.. here is how it reads in the kjv with the greek keyed to strong's: take heedg4337 thereforeg3767 unto yourselves,g1438 andg2532 to allg3956 theg3588 flock,g4168 overg1722 the whichg3739 theg3588 holyg40 ghostg4151 hath madeg5087 youg5209 overseers,g1985 to feedg4165 theg3588 churchg1577 of god,g2316 whichg3739 he hath purchasedg4046 withg1223 his owng2398 blood.g129 .

slimboyfat

I cannot find a Hebrew word that equates to "beget" in Prov. 8: 25. even if there is one, What does the personification of wisdom have to do with anything?

Early Christian writers habitually applied this passage to Jesus, including the words “created” and “begets” as equivalents. In fact it’s one of the most often quoted OT passages for Jesus in the ante-Nicene literature. The claim I was responding to was that creation and begetting were not equivalent. In this passage in the LXX and for all those early Christians who quoted it they were treated as equivalent. It was later that a sharp distinction was drawn to support the Trinity.