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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  OldSoul

  Leolaia,

  No I wasn't suggesting that gravity is God, I was suggesting that gravity is evidence we have already been exploring a reality beyond our abliity to comprehend, and beyond the physical.

  Science calls gravity a force, however weak or strong at the quantum level (which invites a whole extra "realm" of discussion). Tetrapod.Sapien insists on tangible proof of Holy Spirit, for instance ... you see where this is going? You glibly mentioned the nuclear force holding atoms together. You joked about it being angels, or "midichlorians." That force is undeniably real, but what is it?

  What the hell is a force? It is invisible, its presence can only be subtractively assessed from its impacts on tangible reality, but science has no problem accepting its existence. Apart from its effects, it can ONLY be metaphorically described but is considered real.

  The nuclear force has no physical substance, but exists. Gravity has no physical substance, but exists. God has no physical substance, but does not exist. Tetrapod allows for the possibility that we may find God with further testing, but I submit that if he found God he would make up a name for God, describe God's observable, testable properties, poke God and prod God, and still insist it wasn't God.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  For DEFD, discussing my "bad" avatar

  by wanderlustguy in

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  ok, defd brings up a point that has been mentioned to me for a second time now, so i ask the question, should i change my avatar?.

  when i first came here, and figured out how much i was really lied to, it was as simple as a guy flipping off the society.. .

  to those who don't know, it is johnny cash.

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  OldSoul

  Uh. Yeah, WLG, I'm shocked .

  Wouldn't JWs consider you weak? Didn't Paul say the strong out to bear the weaknesses of those not strong?

  OldSoul
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  Three years ago today, Mozz and I got married!

  by Billygoat in

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  back when i joined this board, mozz and i had been dating for about 9 months.

  and then 9 months later, the announcement we were engaged:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/27002/1.ashx.

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  OldSoul

  HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!

  (I hope you like the presents.)
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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  OldSoul

  Ockham's Razor? Please, use it. What is gravity?

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  name the bunny

  by fairchild in

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  yes, i am stuck in this game again.

  i can't go on until i find the name of this character.

  http://www.simplecodeworks.com/mazito-2/lobster/index.html

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  OldSoul

  Well, fairchild, the "dark stuff" inside a pencil is either graphite or lead. "lead" takes you to "shakespeare" then "edsel" then out.

  The constellation is Orion, near as I can figure. The brightest star in Orion is Rigel, followed by Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse doesn't work as an answer.

  The earth rotates completely every 24 hours. 24 times 60 gives you minutes for rotation, 1440.

  The name of the Parthenon isn't open to subjective inference.

  Churchill is the man's last name

  And for this clue "H O R O B O D" Rob in Hood fits perfectly.

  Whoever this was that notified you of a wrong step should be cursed, CURSED!!!! Why don't they have a heart and edge us back to the right path again?

  AGGHHHH!!!!
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  Dear Apostates

  by wanderlustguy in

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  well well well, kicking the puppy was fun.

  for those of you unfamiliar with the term, it is bashing and bitching about the org, which i was happy to do.

  also with it i found an intense sense of a need to help, and to get involved.

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  OldSoul

  Thank you, WLG!!!

  Growing to not need the place is what its ultimately all about. Hopefully, you'll hang around some out of friendship?

  If not, wherever life is taking you from here, happy travels and piss WITH the wind!

  OldSoul
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  The story of my life (part 4- Bethel, the setting)

  by onacruse in

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  so, that spring night (i'm pretty sure it was 1971--memory fades a bit) i'm laying on an army cot in temporary housing, staring at the ceiling--my first night at bethel, and the beginning of the rest of my life as a bethelite (or so i had always thought).

  true enough, i'd signed a solemn oath before jehovah, and submitted it to the governing body, that i would stay at bethel for at least 4 years (that was the way they did it then)...but the real expectation (and knorr made no bones about this in his public admonitions to bethelites) was that you were there for life--fine by me.. what more could i ask?

  i was in the "control center" of the organization, surrounded by dozens and dozens and dozens of the anointed, and walking past members of the governing body every day...i could just feel their presence as they approached; it was almost palpable, as the holy spirit oozed from them.

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  OldSoul

  "gobble, munch, crunch, gobble, gobble, GULP!"

  [passes plate back to ozziepost] More, please!

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul {edit: Ozzie, please help these folks: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/99417/1711467/post.ashx#1711467 that post and the two following with the dead picture links need to be deleted. Thanks.}
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  Paradise Lost Paradise Regained / The Terror Pages

  by prophecor in

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  did those pictures of people jumping outta' thier graves not scare the $#!+ outta' you?

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  OldSoul

  Thank you for the help, Legolas has much more experience than I at posting pictures.
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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  OldSoul

  Since science has restricted its experimentation to a field which prevents analysis of the entire scope of my reality, why should I imagine that in 10,000 years they will discover anything outside its self-limiting scope?

  Is it likely that Science will discover God when they aren't looking for God? I say, given our history, they will more likely discover a strange invisible "something" that exerts tremendous force on physical bodies, can cause planets, stars, and galaxies to come into existence, and can even bend light. When they find this something, they won't know what it is, but that won't stop them from giving it a name. They'll make up a name for it.

  What is gravity?

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul
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  Why naturalism is irrational

  by Shining One in

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  irrational naturalism (#201) .

  by henry morris, ph.d. .

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  OldSoul

  But, by far, humankind still persists in believing in more than physical reality. So, if we take the view that norm is determined by the majority, i.e. by a mean derived from the whole, whose thinking is really abnormal?

  I am not claiming that the thinking is automatically justified by popularity. I am claiming that your denial or disagreement with the validity of my experiences is not in keeping with humankind's thinking, and that is the authority you appealed to in your post.

  Respectfully,
  OldSoul