Thank you Marilyn. I e-mailed Venice for the packet. Bill also sent me one of the letters and it looks good. Hope to get as much ammunition as possible. This may be our one chance.
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PLEASE HELP - Meeting with sister and elder
by bluesapphire inmy sister has decided to shun me.
she let me know last night.
but this morning she talked to my mom who has been working with me in trying to help her see the truth about the "truth.
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PLEASE HELP - Meeting with sister and elder
by bluesapphire inmy sister has decided to shun me.
she let me know last night.
but this morning she talked to my mom who has been working with me in trying to help her see the truth about the "truth.
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bluesapphire
Thanks Ranchette. I went over to Silentlambs but unfortunately, I need to print out actual copies. Anything from the internet is NOT going to do the job. I tried to download Kent's copies but they come out huge. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but half the page gets cut off. They are giant! Kent, maybe you can help?
I've been following the UN thread with keen interest. Can't wait until we can get copies of those actual documents. Although directing a witness to the UN website could start the process. :-) Thanks for your reply.
If anyone knows where I can get actual scanned copies, Please help.
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PLEASE HELP - Meeting with sister and elder
by bluesapphire inmy sister has decided to shun me.
she let me know last night.
but this morning she talked to my mom who has been working with me in trying to help her see the truth about the "truth.
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bluesapphire
Hi everyone. My sister has decided to shun me. She let me know last night. But this morning she talked to my mom who has been working with me in trying to help her see the truth about the "truth." My mom has been talking to her about the pedophilia issue. Anyways, my sister said she is willing to meet with her on Sunday after her meeting. She is bringing an elder with her.
I wish I could be there but I cannot or they'll leave. And my mom will be eaten alive by this elder. I wish someone like Randy or Kent or Bill could be there too. We live in So. Cal.
Anyways, I tried to download the information off of the Watchtower Observer site but it comes out too large and doesn't look like real-life photocopies. Does anyone have photocopies of the relative and incriminating information about pedophiles in WTS? If you do, can you e-mail them to me as a file attachment at [email protected]
Or if it's more convenient, and you have them in printable format on another web-site, please give me the URL.
I am also trying to "cram" with my mom about the UN NGO, etc. She is not prepared, unfortunately. Wish I had some proof. At least that could speak for itself.
This may be our only opportunity. So if anyone could help, please, please. I will forever be in your debt.
Thank you.
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This Just Burns Me UP! [:(!]
by Aintthatcute ini have read a great deal from the silentlamb's web site, not to mention other sites that are following this atrocity!
it would seem to me, and you can probibly bet, when something like this comes to the attention of the elders; that all of thier children are warned to stay clear of "publisher alleged child abuser"!
even though they are supposed to be "hush-hush" about it.
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bluesapphire
Hi You Know. I have a few questions that I hope you can answer with regard to your following statement. I don't believe the WTS is the truth but I am sincere in these questions. I really want to know:
YOUR COMMENT: "Then, when the dust settles out, those who remain will have proven that there faith was in Jehovah and Christ, who will have by then taken over the organization directly."
My first set of questions is: How many times will Jehovah stumble his own people? You claim it is Jehovah in charge, then it is he who is sticking his own foot out to trip people up and make them fall. I want to know how and why I should worship such a god who does these unethical things. If I wouldn't even work for a boss who is unethical, much less should I worship an unethical god, right?
My second set of questions is: Isn't official teaching that Jesus and Jehovah already are directly leading the organization? If this is not so, then why should any witnesses follow the organization? And what would be wrong with "running ahead"? And if he IS currently leading his organization, well then refer to question number one.
My last question is: Why didn't Jehovah use his "organization" in the first four centuries of Christianity to deliver his written word? Why instead did he use the Catholic Church as his instrument to deliver his message?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
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Is there proof WTS owns shares in weapons?
by bluesapphire ini would like to see proof of this rand corp stuff.
can anyone direct me?
i will be discussing this with a friend soon and wanted to make sure it's not hype.
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bluesapphire
Thank you all for your replies. Looks like I have a lot of reading and research to do. I just don't want to make an accusation that cannot be substantiated.
It looks really bad for the WTS in my opinion. The reason is that my husband as a painter could not as a JW take an account from the Catholic Church down the street to paint their rectory (the priest's house). This could cost him thousands in revenue yearly from not only the $$ but from the referrals he would lose. Yet the WTS can own shares in companies who have connections (even as remote as they may or may not be) to making military weapons.
If I stick to this reasoning with my friend and also my sister, do you think I can take it somewhere with them?
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Erica's Ritzville Trial Results
by silentlambs inwell i hope this is the last chapter regarding the ritzville trial of manuel beliz.
perhaps he now can become a statistic in the roles of sex offenders who go to jail for their crimes.
as you may recall in the first hearing things were much different and intimidating to erica and her family.
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bluesapphire
Naeblis, he's been in for 32 months already. I'm sure a few have already taken the liberty of making him their little "wifey"
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MUST READ STORY
by Dogpatch inif you would like to read a fascinating article regarding a recent detractor from the church of scientology, this just came out:.
http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/2001-09-27/feature.html/printable_page.
or click on "sympathy for the devil" at:.
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bluesapphire
I think there's hope for the likes of You Know and Fred Hall. Thanks for sharing, Randy.
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Battered Women 8/8/01
by silentlambs ini am stunned.. with all the effort to try and make the issue of abuse known through silentlambs.
the hundreds of accounts given by victims explaining the foundation of why watchtower policy hurts children.
the lawsuits now being enacted to make watchtower compensate those injured by their policy.
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bluesapphire
Hi Bill. My perspective as a woman who was in an abusive relationship from the age of 16 to 29 is as follows. I believe your anger only hits the tip of the iceberg.
"1.Not one word about seeking therapy or medication for an abuse situation."
Of course not. Therapy takes time. Remember we have to buy out our time from lesser important things like therapy for the preaching work. I remember being told that I had the "perfect" circumstances for pioneering with my five year old and three year old twins, and abusive, drug addict husband and all. This would be the answer. If I pioneered, Jehovah would bless me and my husband would become a JW and change. So the message I got was, "Your abuse is your fault because you are not pioneering." Yeah! Real comfort.
"2.Not one word telling the wife to leave a man who beats you and get therapy for herself."
Why would the good-ole-boys recommend a sister leave her JW husband? Men tend to stick with men in this organization. They don't know what it's like to be weaker and susceptible to abuse and they don't care. In my situation, my husband was not a JW. So this was different and I consider myself lucky. Because non-JW spouses have less rights than JW women and that's bad. I actually got the elders blessing to leave my husband after he cheated on me. Bear in mind, though, that he denied it and I didn't have two witnesses. This wouldn't have happened had he been a dub. Overall, I was lucky because they didn't coerce me into staying like they probably would have if he had been a dub.
"3.Not one example of a woman who took control of the situation left the moron, protected her children and went on to a productive life."
This one takes the cake! I remember wanting to leave him but not having the means. One morning the elders came over after he had gotten high on cocaine and beat me. I asked them for help. Know what they said? They said, "You need to get assistance from your blood relatives." Yeah right! These same jerks who had months before told me I was spending too much time with my worldly relatives. Now they were saying, "Shun your relatives unless you need money from them." In fact, the only time any JW man ever suggested I leave my abusive husband was when the brother actually was lusting after me and was ready to fill his shoes/bed. Too bad I knew how he treated his own wife. Thanks but no thanks.
"4.Not one word on how children are battered also when a wife is battered and the importance of getting them to a safe place."
In my case my kids were never once touched by him. But they did find his marijuana and cocaine in a shoe in his closet. One of them thought the rock was candy and almost ate it. They were neglected by me though. How good a mom do you think I could be the morning after I had been sodomized by force by a drunken fool? If I had still been Catholic, I could have called Catholic Charities and they would have come over, picked us all up, given us a place to stay, food to eat, helped me find a job, child-care, therapy, etc. What did the elders say? They said, "Go out in service."
"5.Not one word on how to contact the police and the telephone numbers to call to get help."
Well, we wouldn't want to air out the congregation's dirty laundry would we?
I will end this post which took me back 8 years by saying that I did go to counseling. And it was my therapist who finally helped me enough to liberate myself from this trap. I am remarried now and beat the odds. Most women who remarry end up in the same or worse situation. But I must have really been healed because the guy I married treats me great. BTW, he was advised by the elders not to marry me. They told him he was letting the wrong head do his thinking for him and would end up miserable. Shows how much they thought of me, doesn't it? Who cares if I get beat and raped, I'm just a piece of meat anyways. So glad to be OUT!
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questions for my elders
by sleepy inhere are some questions i have prepeared for my elders if and when they deside to visit me.. anymore you can suggest?.
questions?.
1. gentile times.. a. why do we believe in such a thing as the gentile times?
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"Maximus let the cat out of the bag a month ago"
Hawk, please explain this statement. Did I miss something? Being a mom of three little girls is rough and sometimes I miss posts for days at a time.
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Is there proof WTS owns shares in weapons?
by bluesapphire ini would like to see proof of this rand corp stuff.
can anyone direct me?
i will be discussing this with a friend soon and wanted to make sure it's not hype.
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bluesapphire
I would like to see proof of this Rand Corp stuff. Can anyone direct me? I will be discussing this with a friend soon and wanted to make sure it's not hype. Thanks if you can help.