Alan, I also read all of those books you mentioned. I couldn't put them down. In fact, the first year I spent so much time just sitting and reading I gained 10 lbs! But this information comes in useful. I haven't helped very many get free (except my husband and one other close friend) but I have helped quite a few people who have been interested in the JW's to see the organization for what it really is! Some of these were well on their way toward baptism! Like they say, it's much easier to keep someone out of a cult than it is to get them out once they've joined. But these books provided GREAT ammunition. And they helped me to see exactly what I was choosing to leave behind. And what I am choosing to fight against!
bluesapphire
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Fascinating, Even to Me!
by COMF ini found hourglass2 outpost, a forum "for jehovah's witnesses and interested ones", on the internet several years ago; as i recall, around november 1996. from that time on i have constantly seen references to ray franz's book, crisis of conscience.
i never felt any compulsion to read the book, however, having concluded simply through discussion and reasoning on the well-documented evidence in their own writings that the wbts was a sham.
i just didn't feel like devoting as much of my time and attention as it would take to read an entire 400-page book divulging in meticulous detail the corruption rampant in that organization.. recently, though, i decided to buy and read the book anyway.
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My Identity!
by qwerty inthat got you to read this!
what country are you from?.
i find it encouraging to see where different posters are from in the world, especially for me, if you are from the uk or europe.
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bluesapphire
I'll be daring. I'm from Fontana, California. Anyone else from Fontucky?
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Privacy legislation - let's make some trouble
by RunningMan inas of january 1, 2001, canada has new privacy legislation (bill c-6).. similar legislation has been adopted in the u.s., although i am not.
familiar with it.
some highlights that could pose problems for the society.
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bluesapphire
Expatbrit: I agree with you. Adding to their martyr complex is the lesser of the two evils. I just want to see them go down!
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Privacy legislation - let's make some trouble
by RunningMan inas of january 1, 2001, canada has new privacy legislation (bill c-6).. similar legislation has been adopted in the u.s., although i am not.
familiar with it.
some highlights that could pose problems for the society.
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bluesapphire
The Watchtower's Legal Defense:
It is a violation of "freedom of religion" because we believe we are mandated by Matthew 24:14 to keep these records....and Jehovah is a God of order bla bla bla...You violate our 'Christian' conscience not allowing us to keep these records....
Would it work?
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If Kingdom halls closed their doors
by nojw86 injust a thought on how the zealous witness would overcome the situation?
would they open homes for bible study?
or take the wait and see what happens next way out.
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How funny. I was just thinking about that. I was watching the "Postman" last night and thought, "Wonder if there was a third world war and it took place on the American continent and all the big cities were lost - including Brooklyn (gasp) - and there was no means of communication except "pony express" - what would the JW's do? I mean, would there be some loyal ones left out there? Would they start their own congregations? Would they hold onto the society's bound volumes and suffer martyrdom to protect them the way the early Christians did with their writings? If so, which ones? The ones pre-1914 generation change or post 1914 generation change? Would they hold onto Russell's writings or Rutherford's or Franz's? Seriously.
Or would many say to themselves, "Hey, Armageddon came and went and here we are and ALL OF THESE PEOPLE are here too and they were NEVER WITNESSES! How about that!" Would they start up their zealous witnessing about how Armageddon came and all those other witnesses were really "professed Christians (laugh)" but all of those non-witnesses must have been saved due to their "heart condition." In which case, the "never-to-be-repeated" work was all for nothing!
Man, I really wonder what would happen. What do you all think?
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Tonight's memorial - did you go?
by dmouse inmy wife has just left for the memorial.. just before she went she asked me to come...this was the second year in a row that i declined.
i hated seeing her so sad, i almost agreed to go just to cheer her up but that would betray her in a very real sense.
to go to the memorial would be an admission in her eyes (and other jws) that i still believe deep down that it is the truth.
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rnault, I feel for you. Keep strong. Take care of your daughter. Break the cycle with her. DON'T EVER LET YOUR MOM TALK TO HER OR INDOCTRINATE HER! That's what matters. You be strong for your child and know that there are thousands of others in your same shoes rooting for the same goal -- to end it here - in this generation!
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Chillin' in the Baptism Line
by metatron inyup, it's me, your friendly angel of the presence and.
purveyor of mystic speculations, metatron, at your.
service.
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bluesapphire
Hi Metatron! I'm Bin from H2O. Glad to see you here with your interesting posts.
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Tonight's memorial - did you go?
by dmouse inmy wife has just left for the memorial.. just before she went she asked me to come...this was the second year in a row that i declined.
i hated seeing her so sad, i almost agreed to go just to cheer her up but that would betray her in a very real sense.
to go to the memorial would be an admission in her eyes (and other jws) that i still believe deep down that it is the truth.
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I was wondering for those of you who stated you didn't want your children to go but spouses/exes forced it upon you.
I don't think they can do that. If the memorial lands on an evening in which YOU have the custody (i.e., not a visitation night), there is nothing they can do legally. They can't force religion on YOUR custody rights.
Now if it happens to land on an evening where THEY have the custody, then you have to bite the bullet.
My own head-strong opinion is that they can stick it! I would not let my girls go with my husband (if he wanted to take them) no matter what! Much less my mother-in-law or even parents or siblings. I would make them all have to stick it! It's a slap in the face to the Watchtower Society to SHUN the bogus memorial. What's more, I would straight out tell them WHY. I'd love to see the look on my MATRIARCH (loved that one) mother-in-law when she realizes she can't CONTROL the future of MY children!
Sorry if I offended anyone. It's just my opinion.
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Tonight's memorial - did you go?
by dmouse inmy wife has just left for the memorial.. just before she went she asked me to come...this was the second year in a row that i declined.
i hated seeing her so sad, i almost agreed to go just to cheer her up but that would betray her in a very real sense.
to go to the memorial would be an admission in her eyes (and other jws) that i still believe deep down that it is the truth.
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Good for you! I hope your wife comes around soon. It took me a year or so for my husband and this is our second year in a row WE don't go to the memorial.
I'm still working on my sister (the one I sucked in when I went in) to come to her senses. Today she called and said, "I just wanted to LET YOU KNOW that tonight is the memorial. I thought YOU SHOULD KNOW." I said, "Thank's. I have to get off the phone now. I don't feel well." Every time she talks about the borg, I cut her off and say I can't talk. That's because she wont let me even share a scripture with her in case the demons possess her the way they possessed me, yet she feels I should listen to her.
Funny thing is that if she had been sweet and said, "I miss you and I wish you would come to the memorial with me." I would have been tempted. Just so I could have her back in my life. But she acted all self-righteous and so she got jacked.
How sad this all is.
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This is what Mama wants!
by jst2laws inreading responses to casper reminded me of our recent meeting with the co. he kept using the phrase this is what mama wants.
it seemed to be applied whenever anyone with common sense would have objected to what was being said or done.
however it was not employed by the co to excuse himself of responsibility but to give unquestionable authority to what he was saying.
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What was the CO trying to get everyone to do?