Posts by BluesBrother

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2022-Secret Watchtower Disfellowshipping Reference Manual.

by Atlantis in

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massive new document written by wt, 837 pages, meant for arguments vs officials and media to defend the disfellowshipping arrangement.

found in the casefile in norway.

meant to be secret.. .

BluesBrother

I saw immediately the blatant lie about individuals using their own conscience as to shun.

I wondered how an organisation known as The Truth could do that. But then I remembered being told about “ theocratic strategy “, I.e. that they don’t owe the truth to opposers of their work . If they view the Governments as the agents of Satan then maybe they feel free to be “ economical with the truth” , as a politician once put it .

This old quote says it all . After discussing Rahab hiding the Jewish spies and misleading the soldiers, it says

Wt 1956 Feb 1st

“Remember that there was war then. The enemies did not deserve to learn the truth to the hurt or endangerment of Jehovah’s servants. In wartime it is proper to misdirect the wolfish enemy.“

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Are Jehovah’s Witnesses softening their view of Faders?

by Darkknight757 in

so my in-laws actually went out to dinner with us today.

normally, since leaving in 2016, they wouldn’t eat with us or talk much to me.

(since i did convince their daughter to leave the cult).

BluesBrother

All depends on the individual. The official line is to definitely shun the d/f’d and they have said on occasion that should include ex dubs who are strong non believers.

However, there is no penalty for associating if one is not d/f’ ,so it is a matter of conscience.

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WT resumes public ministries*

by Smiles in

from jw org news alert:.

breaking news | resuming public witnessing.

on may 31, 2022, the governing body informed all branch committees that they may now resume all forms of public witnessing with the exception of the door-to-door ministry.

BluesBrother

Yes , this is official. The announcement is on JW.org.

The dubs on JW Talk are ecstatic, or say they are!

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Anyone else remember the Awake saying this?

by BottanicPepper in

i may have put this in the wrong thread.

if so, i'm sorry.. my conundrum is this.... i am almost completely certain that an awake back in the 80's/90's mentioned a group of rock bands we shouldn't listen to and i seem to remember them actually naming guns and roses.. i can't find anything now, and i'm wondering if it's the mandela effect, or if it's another case of the cdrom versions of the awakes being doctored again.. does anyone else remember this?

or am i crazy?

BluesBrother

Who needs a cover of a rock classic when you could enjoy the real Guns n Roses singing it?

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Which Bible Translation.....

by BoogerMan in

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....is the best, in your opinion?.

out of the numerous translations i've had/used, i can honestly state that the 2001 translation is head & shoulders above all the others i've ever consulted, imo.

the publishers even invite suggestions/corrections to be submitted.

BluesBrother

Their liberal use of the name Jehovah means that this translation will never be popular, but I find it interesting that a group of translators who claim to be non denominational have come to this conclusion.

I find the text very readable . I don’t feel qualified to comment on its accuracy, but I will turn to it again fo comparison. Thank you for sharing.

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Is there ANY possibility at all that the WatchTower and the Governing Body has the TRUTH? (You're about to find out)

by Terry in

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in my opinion, having been a jehovah's witness for twenty years as well as being an ex-jw for forty-three years,is that the following talk as given by peter gregerson, emphatically removes any shadow of a doubt aboutwhether the claim for the faithful slave has any merit whatsoever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytcj6smffbk&t=3145s.

note: (references to the publication the finished mystery are given.

you can read the entire book here:https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46016/46016-pdf.pdf.

BluesBrother

Thank you Blondie for confirming that fact about PG and Ray Frank . I thought that was the case but was not sure.

PG certainly came over as a warm , straight up person. .....

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WATCHTOWER's RTO (Remote translation offices) like this one are million dollar luxury locations

by Terry in

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more than 60 percent of our full-time translation teams work, not at branch offices, but at remote translation offices (rto).

why is this arrangement beneficial?

what equipment do translators need in order to work effectively at an rto?

BluesBrother

Opening line ....

”For all practical purposes, Welsh is a dead language.”

That may have been the case at one time but recent years have seen a resurgence of the language as the Welsh are determined to hang on to their culture. When you drive in Wales all the road and direction signs are primarily written in Welsh , very confusing to a bloke like me!

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Date of Adam's "Creation?

by Slidin Fast in

how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

BluesBrother

Thomas asked if it mattered?

I believe it matters because the credibility of God’ Word is at stake.

To me it is not the scripture that states the date of Adam but man’s calculations say it.

How do we know that all the relevant information is contained in The Bible? It was not written for that purpose.

I am no longer a literal Genesis creationist . It may not be written to be a scientific record. I admit I don’t know about such things . I just think it wrong to make mathematical calculations based on many scriptures and proclaim it to be a Bible teaching

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Ex JWs who use the catch phrase "Friends"

by jojorabbit in

its a personal pet peeve to me but i hate it when ex jws use the catch phrase friends.

this was used at every convention and many meetings i went to.

the friends, mother and others.

BluesBrother

In the U.K. we don’t say “friends “, we refer. to the brothers...... as if we were all one family.

These days , if I am talking to a dub I will use their own expressions for clarity and simplicity. Even on here it is sometimes suitable to refer to them in that way . It depends on the context .

Ah....get over it....

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

BluesBrother

I have wondered if the Wt had ever actually said that WW1 was caused by Satan’s being ousted from heaven or whether Witnesses had simply read that into the ambiguous writing of the WT?

Looking today I find :-

WT 79 2/15 p13

” Barry Renfrew of the “Associated Press” adds: “War has never been easy to explain and World War I is perhaps the hardest of all. Beneath the dry accounts of rivalries and alliances which historians use to explain the war, there lies a sense of something far greater, a sense of restlessness troubling the world.” Renfrew then notes that an assassination “inspired a world which had hardly heard of the murdered prince to go to war over his death without knowing why.”

But Christians do know why. Through their Bible-based insight, they know that World War I was timed with the birth of God’s kingdom in the heavens, which was to result in “woe for the earth.” Why? “Because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Rev. 12:9-12; compare Matthew 24:3, 7, 8.”