up to 30,000 people contracted hiv and hepatitis c in the 1970s and 80s after being given blood treatments or transfusions on the nhs.. thousands have since died.. it just goes to show there is no such thing as a sure thing.. the wts may be wrong about their blood doctrine, and their bible interpretation to justify it, and how they enforced the rules about it, but ultimately may be correct in claiming that "bloodless surgery" was a safer option medically.. canada also had a contaminated blood scandal, where 30,000 were infected with hepatitis c and hiv.. in other news, paying for blood from high-risk donors is a bad idea.
who knew?
well apparently the people behind the schemes did, and that's why they covered it up.. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61929986.
I am sure that bloodless surgery is a safer option where possible and if it is available I would opt for it. However, most of the British victims of this scandal are Haemophiliacs who received a blood fraction Factor 8 or 9.
This would be acceptable to JWs as not one of the “big four “ components Therefore their policy on blood would not protect them
straight from the horse's gb's mouth - from the 2022 convention broadcast.. it's at the 38 min.
30 secs.
point of the jw broadcast: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/2022convention/pub-co-r22_1_video.
In the context of his prior comments and knowing the JW doctrine as I do, I can just about get what he means…… but that is a shocking choice of words and a horrible expression. Quite enough to alienate all the Mums and Dads in the audience…
scene: the new world, any minute now.... billy bastard, an aborted fetus is resurrected and immediately dies because he is outside the womb of a birthing person.. repeat ad infinitum.
As I recall, Watchtower does not hold out the hope of resurrection for aborted foetus’s or miscarriages.
sadly the wt failed to teach fundamental biblical doctrines.
i did never really understand the doctrine about ransom while i was still in the congregation.. i did not either understand what it really means that "god is love" as stated in the bible.
i did not either understand from the wt what is love.
As a youngster growing up , I too did not understand the ransom doctrine. By my teens I felt too embarrassed to ask, I mean ,you are supposed to know this… right?
So, since I assisted the Magazine Servant I had a key to the KHall ( that would not happen today) One Saturday afternoon I let myself in and delved into the library with the old written indexes. I looked up everything all about the ransom. Having read it all, I finally got it… Job done.
My point is , if you don’t know, look it up ! It is much easier these days with stuff on line.
i'm trying to help uncle b with a project.
i need clear scans of these talk outlines.
as i understand it there were six for each year.
Clicking the links onto those older threads revealed a mine of fascinating information about the WT past . Thank you all. I bow to the scholarship of those who wrote.
It is a pity that today’s crop of dumb dubs know, or care, little about all this.
the watchtower has printed a disturbing article about self control and gives this instruction to the r & f .
self-control also allows us to remain silent when opposers try to trick us into revealing things that could endanger our brothers and sisters.
this might occur when we are being interrogated by the police in a land where our work is banned or restricted.
I would not expect the Wt to say that - “ it is up to you whether or not you rat out your brothers to an opposing authority. “
Actually this comment reads like it came from a 1950s Watchtower. They still have a persecution complex. It shows they still view the outside world as the enemy, just waiting to pounce.
saluting the flag was something not encountered very often here in the 1970s uk, in fact that kind of nationalism or patriotism was something i'd been warned about as a young boy, being brought up in the jehovah's witnesses from age 4, through meetings and the publications.
at some point, i don't know when, i decided it was more american, whether rightly or wrongly.. but even so, there was a large black and white photo of our entire school in panoramic format right outside my classroom on the wall saluting the flag, and i think this was the 1977 25 year jubilee of queen elizabeth ii.. now as a young person attending a fairly religious school in the 1970's, you were used to "making a stand" for things, letter in hand first day in a new class, and being ushered into one room or another to avoid religious assemblies and other xmas, and other seasonal celebrations.. one day the teachers, in their abundant wisdom, stood myself and a younger witness in the corridor right outside the assembly hall where the children would filter past.
every second or third child that filtered past would ask, "why are you standing there?
Saluting the flag is an American thing that I never encountered, growing up in England. The issue was standing for the National Anthem. The grown up dubs would deliberately sit down and revel in the animosity they created.
As I grew up we tried to find out when it would be played at any event we attended and slip out beforehand. In later years the practice of playing it has largely stopped except at international sports events …
I felt for Witness kids during the Jubilee build up . I remember how hard it was at school when you are a child dealing with these things
for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.
The Watchtower’s definition of a generation is just plain wrong and not in line with any dictionary that I could find.
The fact that we are still here in 2022 shows that the “time of the end “ could not have started in 1914.
the last 2 1/2 years have been extremely stressful.
while the rest of the world was dealing with covid, i was also dealing with cancer.
in fact it seems none of my doctors knew about it.
I’m so glad that you are still here with us Lee. Your story is inspiring.
when is the kingdom of god coming?.
on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!
the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .
As one reads Matt 24 it destroys the whole concept of Adventism , from which JWs have come. The idea of predicting when he would return was spoken against bt Jesus. He said to keep on the watch …. never knowing when the day would come . Just be ready, whenever.
