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  Who Are Your Past Circuit Overseers? It's a small world..

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  2. beliefs

  who were your past circuit overseers?

  i'm sure a lot of us actually know mutual people, as the co's relocate all over the country.. here's a few from the southeast us: (let me know if you recognize any names and post yours too please...).

  ellwood johnson (new york/philadelphia area for several years also).

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  I heard about Mike Seidler , I never rated him highly as a C/O... and his wife even worse. Still that was a long time ago . I suppose I should be sorry for her loss.
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  DISSOCIATION - Based on Covid 19

  by gavindlt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  i think you all know me as a person who has always strived, despite my imperfections to only ever wanting to be and remain in the “truth”.

  it is in fact what i so desperately want for my son ashton and my baby girl honey bee, to be lovers of truth and grow up to be a loyal servants of jehovah god and his son, jesus christ.

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  A very well written letter. We all know it will not matter one jot to the Bethel automatons but that is not the point. It gave the writer the chance to say what is in his heart for perhaps the first and only time. I especially liked his excellent summary of the UNO scandal.

  Personally I do not agree about the vaccine thing , but I respect others right to disagree.
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  How oblivious are your typical jdub ? Facepalm alert

  by nowwhat? in

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  2. beliefs

  so talking with friends and they mentioned they just visited their daughter at bethel.

  so i asked did she say why anthony morris is no longer on the gb?.

  he had no clue about that.

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  How are they supposed to know if they don’t listen to anti JW stuff? The announcement about AM3 was easy to miss and would only be seen by those delving into that corner of their site.

  Ignorance is bliss.
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  Watchtower (Study) August 2023 gaslighting and deflecting again.

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  'they turn the story around to make it seem like you are at fault, deflecting attention and blame away from them to make you feel guilty.

  this type of emotional manipulation is called gaslighting.. .

  deflection is manipulation, and if it's coupled with other toxic relationship behaviors, it may be necessary to remove yourself from the situation.'.

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  BluesBrother

  All the above comments are so very true. I am one of those baby boomers who learned it young and believed for too many years . Now I am forever linked because of family but at least I have my own mind.

  They are the masters of deflection and wriggling out of responsibility for their errors. Remember Tony Morris sneering at those of us who believed that kids of the 60s /70s would never grow old in this system... Good riddance to him .
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  Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  2. beliefs

  i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..

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  “How can we prove the Messianic kingdom was set up in heaven in 1914?”

  They used to use a mathematical formula from 607BCE. You remember, time ,times ,and half a time, and all that.. I have not heard that for years , apart from my diehard old relatives who still remember it. Nowadays they just use observation and some quotes from certain writers. They list World Wars global warming etc as proof that this is the time of the end.
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  What`s the reason some of you think JW`s are in decline ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from what i can see no such thing is happening.i became a jw in 1960 and remained for about 30 years and the numbers of active jw`s today in the world are far greater than they were back then.. and here in australia the numbers are much higher than they were back then .. so i don`t see that their in decline or have any worries about losing support .. don`t the numbers speak for themselves ?.

  is it just wishful thinking on your part ?.

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  BluesBrother

  The numbers reported seem to show they are having slow growth if at all .

  What we see with our eyes tells a different story. In my home town today there are less congregations and less Halls than there used to be.

  In my youth every congregation had some members who were “coming along “ . Progressive bible studies who were learning the faith and coming in. It was not unusual to have whole families, the father being a smart type who went on to be a servant or elder.

  Nowadys I only see kids growing up and taking responsibility and the occasional “study “ who is either an immigrant with poor English or a guy that is “ mentally challenged “ The quality of the converts is not there...
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  The Judge on Trial: Uncovering the Real J F Rutherford [Part 1]

  by pomo6780 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  enough rhetoric for now, here is my promised first part to my series.. for the benefit of lurkers, i'm using mainly wt publications as my research to show this information isn't 'apostate'.

  part 1: association with russell and the bible students.

  i want to ask an honest question.

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  Without evidence, the words that come to my mind start B / S….
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  The Org. covering up the SHUNNING POLICY !!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-mysteriously-deleted-shunning-videos/?fbclid=iwar3jjfsa3zx-4kxrdtjwopmzty-5wxhrxm1-gvjtp9j20ovqfpxh.

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  Hmmm. You can smell the hand of Legal dept. in a decision to pull these videos. Lately shunning has become a bigger issue than the blood ban .

  When I was “in” we accepted the shunning principle but applied it with a dash of common sense. Today they seem to have forgotten the exception for “ necessary family business” . If her mother phoned upset , begged her to answer , how did she know that it was not a bona fide emergency?

  We once had a friend, an emotional sister with a d.f daughter. However, the daughter was in an abusive relationship and would call on mother in trouble. Now I knew that their association went beyond that but I did not rat her out to the other elders . I just reminded her of what the rules were and left it to her conscience.

  I hate to think how she would get on today.
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  And the lion shall eat straw like the ox

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the above verse is often quoted by jws both in general as a response to the idea of a deathless paradise and/or those promoting vegetarianism or veganism.. a letter in animal frontiers co-signed by nearly a thousand scientists is now warning that meat is crucial for a healthy lifestyle and livestock farming is too important to 'become the victim of zealotry'.. they stated the fact that most humans require the nutrients from eggs, meat and dairy and that plant based alternatives are at least 4x more expensive (which implies much higher energy consumption in the process) and not scalable and outright dangerous to global health to support a large population shift towards them.. they also called out several recent papers for misleading information and even called for the outright retraction of one that said meat substitutions are a viable alternative.. not sure what the modern jw view on this is, i know many people in the borg promoted it back in the day.

  just goes to show that science does not support the notion of a global vegan diet..

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  BluesBrother

  The question was, What is the JW view on diet? .... the dubs are allowed to eat anything that doesn’t contain blood. As a movement they are not vegetarian. I swear I saw a quick scene in a video depicting New World living where they were enjoying a barbecue.

  As to the merits of meat eating or not , you can find an expert to support any view you like. I know that in Asia many people have been vegetarian for millennia and in good health. The majority view of science , as far as I know, is that it takes more of the world’s resources to raise a cow than to grow crops .

  The debate will continue......
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  'church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately'

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'the spokesperson also said that church elders are told to report any allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities immediately, even if there is only one complainant.'.

  https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rebekah-vardy-sexually-abused-child-jehovahs-witnesses/.

  is this true?

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  BluesBrother

  So we have to conclude that either

  1) There has been a dramatic shift in policy that has not been leaked.

  2) The Watchtower speak with a forked tongue saying one thing in public and another to the elders.

  3) The news media got it wrong and have reported what they did not say .

  I would guess that the latter is most likely…..