Posts by BluesBrother

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HELP PLEASE!

by TheStar in

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i'm a newbie around here.

i have only posted once but i've come in here almost every day to read for about the past month.

this place has been therapeutic for me as i'm currently trying to make my exit out of the borg.

BluesBrother

Star, welcome aboard and congratulations for working out in six years what it took me a lifetime to realise.

May I add my word to the others who say, DO NOTHING RASH. allow a bit of time . You believe the dubs may respect you for having made a decision of conscience. Far from it . They will probably conclude that you jumped before you were pushed, and had something to hide.

It is possible to take time away, a couple in my wifes cong. are in the same position . He comes, but wife has apparently stopped.
The elders will see it as their duty to shepherd you but you do not have to talk in depth. Be evasive. If your husband will co operate he can pull the card of "Headship" and ask them not to push you hard.

Take time, do not put husband in a more difficult position than he has to be. Incidentally, the elders would not advise him to leave you. That would be grossly unscriptural.

Best of luck ,we have all been there..Let us know how things get on .

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Eathquakes and March 22nd Awake

by BluesBrother in

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if someone has already noted this, then i apologise, but i have just received the awake and i could not help but be amazed at the paragraph on page 9 .. they admit now that u s national earthquake centre report that large quakes "fairly constant throughout 20th century" furthermore they say.

" note though that the fulfillment of jesus words (matt.24.7)does not require an increase in the number or power of earthquakes....distress is measured not by number or how they rate on the richter scale, but by the effect they have upon people".

apparently it is all our fault for building in the wrong place.. is this not a u turn?.

BluesBrother

Fredhall

Hey Jake,
Do you have a problem with it?

Sure I have a problem with it. For too many years I trusted these people. When they said that eathquakes had increased, I believed them . Like all of us on here, i was prepared to go out and tell others on their own doorstep ,and stand by the W T arguments no matter what.

Now they casually change it . I dont like being fooled[:!]

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NEW LIGHT! Earthquakes-3-22-02 Awake!

by messenger in

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well we now have another ray of new light that has flashed forth.

it is a new teaching regarding earthquakes.

for close to eighty-five years now the core believe of jehovahs witnesses has been the last days teaching that earthquakes have increased in intensity and frequency since 1914. no longer, now it seems it has gone the way of the generation that would not die who were alive in 1914. now we have the great new discovery that there were not more or stronger earthquakes since 1914, almost 40 years after experts and many good men were disfellowshipped for saying otherwise.

BluesBrother

Co incidence, my much briefer post, making the same point was almost simultaneos, great minds think alike ,they say

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They Fear Us

by metatron in

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a few malcontents railing against the evils of the watchtower society.

belittled by shills like henry p and others.

but make no mistake about it, these web sites frighten the gerontocrats that run this sick cult.. why?.

BluesBrother

They do indeed fear the Net! ever since the November 1999 Kingdom Ministry Insert we have known that they are running scared and the more they rant against it, the more it will make young ones curious enough to log on- sort of accidentaly on purpose.

Incidentally I just found the Feb. 2002 KM . Main headline "The Happiest People On Earth" To think that I used to conduct meeting items around stuff like that!!
Whata fool - but no more...

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Eathquakes and March 22nd Awake

by BluesBrother in

jw
friends

if someone has already noted this, then i apologise, but i have just received the awake and i could not help but be amazed at the paragraph on page 9 .. they admit now that u s national earthquake centre report that large quakes "fairly constant throughout 20th century" furthermore they say.

" note though that the fulfillment of jesus words (matt.24.7)does not require an increase in the number or power of earthquakes....distress is measured not by number or how they rate on the richter scale, but by the effect they have upon people".

apparently it is all our fault for building in the wrong place.. is this not a u turn?.

BluesBrother

If someone has already noted this, then I apologise, but I have just received the Awake and I could not help but be amazed at the paragraph on page 9 .
They admit now that U S National Earthquake centre report that large quakes "Fairly constant throughout 20th Century" Furthermore they say

" Note though that the fulfillment of Jesus words (Matt.24.7)does NOT require an increase in the number or power of earthquakes....Distress is measured not by number or how they rate on the Richter scale, but by the effect they have upon people"

Apparently it is all our fault for building in the wrong place.

Is this not a U turn?
The book "You Can Live Forever..etc page 150. "From 1914 until now there have been many more earthquakes than in any other like period
in recorded history." with supporting figures to prove it

Question. have the writing committebeen reading the internet and found out that their "Facts" are a load of baloney and they can't fool the readershop any more?

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Questions

by Snowflake in

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i really want to read the cofc book, what's the best way to get it?.

also, what is the wts gaining by keeping the org.

is it a money thing?

BluesBrother

I just have to join this little spat,

What a marvellous way of witnessing! To post on line.. stay in doors with a coffee and kid yourself that you may reach some poor soul who is lurking, before they reach the same "Low sink of debauchery" as rest of us .Wish we had had this in my day , you'ld never see me out on a Saturday morning (shudder at the memory)

Incidentally ,I suppose you could could count up to 4000 return visits when you reply??

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why, what made you join JWs?

by tosko in

i would like some brief stories of people saying the reasons they joined jw organisation.

where you already in another church, were you disillusioned, were you biblically illiterate?

and if it is possible, please let me know where you come from, hoping you're not all from usa.

BluesBrother

Like many others i was taught the "Truth" as a boy , I believed it all although I would sometimes go off the boil and have to be encouraged, then get my enthusiasm back. I stopped completely for a a few months when I was about 20. I tried to make friends in the world but I did not mix easily. I was lonely and bored and I knew that if I went back i could be successful at it. So I did. Very selfish really, but once back, my faith and enthusiasm returned and I spent best part of the next 30 years serving as M.S then elder.
Until events in my life made me Really ask questions.And by then they had invented the internet!, and I read some stuff and the whole pack of cards fell down.

I just knew, that our God,my father would never slaughter them all because they/we do not listen to the WTS.

You ask about the effectiveness of teaching ? I think less so now. The little paperbacks dont have the depth of older books. The technique seems to be to sell the good news of the New World and a material hope , then draw them with a "Join us or else" conclusion

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Bloodless Surgery Cuts Hospital Stay and Bills

by MadApostate in

atlanta business chronicle - february 11, 2002. .

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2002/02/11/focus10.html.

cost savings .

BluesBrother

A couple of days after the previous post, but someone might still look at it.

No one objects to doctors developing bloodless techniques, and some of us, myself included, would certainly prefer it to a transfusion in an operation of choice.

That is a long way from a stand of banning the use of certain blood treatments, based on a certain interpretation of Bible law. The counter arguements presented on this web are also pretty convincing. Of course there will be occasions when a treatment may be just not available in your hospital at the time you need it .

Does any human have the right to insist that you refuse it at a possible loss of your life?

What did Paul write about "Not being masters of your faith"

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Flame Ups? Tired? Scared To Voice...............

by ladonna in

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i am wondering how many here are often reluctant to post their true opinions on certain subjects to evade being flamed, made to feel lesser than human, or being ganged up on?

i ask this as i have read threads and had things i would have liked to contribute, but feel i have already had so much stress that i cannot take the type of personal attacks that occur here.. before anyone jumps in and attacks that statement, i have had a recent physical illness that has stressed me beyond normal limits.. we have all seen it happen.

then along comes a mr nice guy who sticks up for the attackers.. ana...,of the "just cannot be bothered class".. .

BluesBrother

Hello Ana,

may i add my encouragement to enable all of us to speak our minds, so what if we get "flamed"?

This is a brilliant arrangement . We have anonimity and yet we get to know one another at the same time

Try and treat it as fun. and i have learned a lot and its wonderful when someone says something that just somes up what we feel , and you think YES!!!.

Keep posting and I hope you are son better.

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Repentance

by picosito in

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it used to amaze me when i was an elder on a judicial committee trying to find an attitude of repentance in the wrongdoer and there never was any!!!

so we elders figured maybe it was us, that we were not recognizing it, and were successful in squeezing out from the person something that faintly resembled repentance so we didn't have to give them the boot.

most of these were "good people" in the congregation, not visibly nasty ones that we could axe easily.. now i know why the lack of repentance.

BluesBrother

I dont know what sort of commitees you sat on.. the ones that I had experience of, the miscreant had to go some to prove that they were repentant. I am sorry to say now.

No tears (females) No apology , out they went.
What was the maxim?
"IS he cut to the heart?"