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  Watchtower Change On Origins from 42,000 Years to the "Day Age" Theory

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know when and how the change took place?

  is the "day age" theory still the current position of watchtower?.

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  BluesBrother

  Watchtower 1970 p120

  "Thus we find the seventh “day” of the creative week to be seven thousand years long. On the basis of the length of the seventh “day” it is therefore reasonable to conclude that each of the other six “days” also was a period of 7,000 years. This length of time would be ample for all that the Bible tells us took place on each of the six days of creation."

  Watchtower 2015 1st June

  "The Bible fixes no duration for the six creative “days.” Instead, it opens the door for modern scientists to study them and assign accurate time spans to them. We know that the creative “days” were much longer than 24-hour days."

  
  
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  Ban on Independent Meetings

  by lssjr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  source - march 2021 announcements - - https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5085868283920384/2021-march-147-english-german-announcements-reminders.

  this is a sobering reminder of what happened some 40 years ago when raymond franz and others were literally kicked out from the jehovah's witnesses for having pre-arranged private spiritual discussions.lesson: paragraph 7 is another example of the i and t in dr. steven hassan's bite model of the 21st century cult - information and thought control at its best!!!!

  "my gosh, there must be a lot of independent meetings these days.

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  BluesBrother

  So in these difficult times when association is sadly missed, the brothers cannot meet up electronically and discuss the scriptures? What are they trying to stop?

  I hear older ones in the family recalling the days when we young things would meet up at someone's place and have lively discussions about the scriptures. That's when people were keen . I don't see much apetite for it now. Full marks to those who wanted to delve into things .. By stopping it they are showing their true colours.
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  Actual setting of meeting demonstration this week

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  invite your student to the memorial, and explain from the bible why he should not partake of the emblems.. they might as well just put up a warning: do not feed the visitors sign 🤣 meanwhile, more and more baptized jws by the thousands continue to come out of the annointed closet year by year..

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  BluesBrother

  This "invite your student to the Memorial" thing is a bit weird in these times.

  Basically you have to give them the log in codes for your Cong. Meeting

  Ask them to sit in front of their laptop at home with a camera open on them shown to a group they don't know

  Ask tbem to have a glass of red wine and a Jewish matzoh sitting before them but NO , do not drink it - just touch it when invited to.

  Listen quietly to the talkon screen .......

  Really? Are strangers going to do that? They are going to think this very strange indeed.
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  An exchange with a JW about the blood doctrine.

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently had an online exchange with an active jw about the blood issue.

  he originally wanted to talk about the potential dangers of transfusions but i pointed out that the risks of transfusions have nothing whatsoever to do with the reason that jws reject blood, and therefore i didn’t see any value in debating that topic.. not able to let it go, he then insisted that the blood mandate was a common theme throughout the bible, quoting acts 15:29.. it’s been a while since i looked into the subject, and i admit i’m now a little rusty when it comes to recalling where to find biblical quotes, but i remembered that there are passages in both the new and old testaments that, when read in the context of the time they were written, call into question the watchtower’s rendition of acts 15:29.. i offered to do some bible research and get back to the jw, suggesting that rather than letting our discussion become combative, we could have an informative and interesting exchange of ideas.

  i reassured him that i was not looking to undermine his convictions, in fact i was more than happy to be corrected if my thinking was wrong.

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  BluesBrother

  I cannot fault your reasoning on the Scriptures. I did not appreciate that 13 years passed by when gentile Christians were free to eat unbled meat if they wished..

  Others have reasoned that this was a restriction on diet only, and should not apply to the medical use of blood.

  I like your way of reasoning. Sadly I doubt if a blinkered JW would follow it...... unless it came from the Governing Body of course, then they would drop the blood doctrine like a shot
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  2021-Emergency Contact Information!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  emergency contact information.. .

  this form may compromise data that unbelieving members of a family don't want released.. download:.

  https://filetransfer.io/data-package/6dgljbjl#link.

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  BluesBrother

  Perhaps the clue to its intended use lies in the question of another contact person, preferably out of State. Given the terrible weather events that the USA has experienced, it may be so they can find you if you flee a distance from a disaster ?

  It ought to be headed with the WT or Congregation name and contain a policy that no data will be shared etc.

  I would have thought you would contact them if you wanted to remain in touch......
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  The Emphatic Diaglott, still being published by the WTB&TS for the benefit of ... NOT JWs but for Christadelphians, Church of God Holiness and Abrahamic Faith folks.

  by illoowy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are english speaking denominations that actively use the emphatic diaglott.

  the wtb&ts is the only publisher providing new printings of this nt interlinear.

  the r&f jehovah's witness doesn't use the diaglott (not even the jw version of it "kingdom interlinear translation" that supplanted it).

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  BluesBrother

  I can remember it being used in my childhood years, by adult JW publishers when debating the trinity with people. In John 1 ;1 it said that the Word was “a god” ( not The God) ....

  I still have a copy, unused for years, perhaps I ought to offer it on EBay ?
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  JW Net and Politics

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.

  i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.

  it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.

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  BluesBrother

  Any discussion of politics on the net will only descend into biased name calling insults. That is the difference between political discussions and other general topics. That’s why many say never discuss politics.

  As a Brit, I have zero interest in American party political debates. I just look on from afar and smile sometimes.

  I agree with the original post that suggested a sub forum for that which would not show on the main board . I believe it would help the site maintain its core values.

  Just my thoughts..
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  What JW Subjects Interest You The Most On This Site? What Doesn’t??

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i like subjects that delve into the history of the religion and proofs that the witnesses are not the true religion.

  i’m not so much into apologists saying we need to go to meetings, especially if the poster looks like a scammer trying to get ex jws going.

  what subjects interest you ?

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  BluesBrother

  These days, there is so much American politics and unrelated stuff on here that I am glad for any topic that is actually discussing J W s or the Watchtower Society.
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  Since Myself and our sons left the JW cult, My wife has been M.I.A has a mom and wife

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would like to get some feed back from pomo's who's spouse is still pimi.

  since myself and our son's left the jw cult.

  my wife has been m.i.a has a mom and a wife.

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  BluesBrother

  I am well out , mentally at least and my wife is definitely still in. When I resigned and dropped the faith I recognized what a blow that was for her. I tried to make it up by being a decent husband and never fulfilling the stereotype of "worldly men"

  This is not to criticise or blow my own trumpet but you say " I have told her many times that if she is not happy she should leave and go find her JW elder so she could be happy"........Is that ghe best way to win her round ?

  True, I have made comprises. On a Sunday I am willing to accompany her to the hall , if she goes. I have helped her with going to conventions . I know that if I had nothing to do with it then we would have nothing and life would be hell for us both.

  It is worth sitting through a crap talk to have the benefit of a calm and enjoyable home life. Funnily enough things are better between us now than ever they were when I was an elder and always having to do something.

  Everyone is different I know, but that is my experience. All the best.
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  Genesis 1:16 and apologists- vegetation before the Sun?

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  gen 1: 11 says: .

  11 then god said, “let the earth sprout [j]vegetation, [k]plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit according to [l]their kind [m]with seed in them”; and it was so.

  12 the earth produced [n]vegetation, [o]plants yielding seed according to [p]their kind, and trees bearing fruit [q]with seed in them, according to [r]their kind; and god saw that it was good.

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  BluesBrother

  I agree that it is no good trying to come up with fanciful ideas trying to harmonise the order of creation with what we know today. The comments made in the past by the WTS are indeed desperate.

  I am not a literal Genesis creationist but I still hold to the basic view that “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth “ . Call me what you like but ,to me, that makes more sense than a godless abiogenesis.......

  I view Genesis chapter one as a simplified parable, not a scientific document.