Good points Zagor! I'd understood that you weren't endulging in that kind of mess here, which may well have contributed to my missing the intended audience. I agree with 100% you that the Watchtower goes down that road, and with a vengance at times. I also see that it can be so easy for we, who were part of that organization to become that way because of that.
I reckon it can be said that we all have alot of baggage to rid ourselves of from that time of our live. Well, cheers to you Zagor!
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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never seen so much hatred
by PMJ ini think that every one on this site goes way over the top calling jehovahs wittnesses names you spend more time trying to prove them wrong than you do prasing god.i mean is this your purpose in life.if you no more about the bible than the wittnesses then go straght a head and speak.but dont act like a spoiled brat calling people names.a lot of people on this site will belevae what they want to beleave because it suits there lifestyle lets get to the root of whats realy in your hearts
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I notice in the letter the WTBTS sent you that they now accuse the UN of lying. Isn't that typical!
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Information about M.L. McPhail
by maplaza ini have seen the messages posted about the w.h.
conley subject... and i have think that maybe somebody in this forum can help me with the following.
i have searched the watchtower reprints volumes and what i need is any other information.
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Check your PM.
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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On that, at least, You and I can agree.
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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Damn my disabetes after I've eaten, it blurrs my vision! I miss things and can't hardly read what I write!
Sheeezzzz!!!
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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By the way, the same criticisms aplly to extreme creationist as well. The criticism applies across the board. It would be nice to see some evolutionists admitting the same!
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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Oopps! I somehow misread the point of view of the article! Well, I am not perfect. Istill stand by what I said.
Sorry Zagor
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Re: EVOLUTION vs.anything else
by zagor ini felt compelled to writh another article that is follow up to my earlier thread... .
what i often find is that people who rubbish evolution have never read even one book that fully describe any aspect of it.
even if they have picked a book or an article it was with intent to prove it wrong, hence, their bias has already made a foregone conclusion.
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Intresting post Zagor. Hopefully I'll ge this in before the Evolutionists jump all over you with their ad homenism.
The problem isn't that they haven't read, or are uneducated. Many are highly educated and wide read. Folks like AlanF and TeraGod prove that all the time. The problem is their world view and education. At some point they bought into the philosophy of materialism. Usually, if one wants a graduate education, especially in any of the sciences, one must either buy that world view, or fake it. Since Materialism is the bedrock of the modern sciences all who study at that level learn that the only acceptable way to interpret the evidence is through the filter of that philosophy. they are also taught to reject as "irrelevant" any firm evidence to the contrary of accepted scientific dogma. That is why you see the phrase "all relevant evidence" in so many public statements of so many scientists. It is an admission that there is evidence to the contrary, but they are saying that the evidence doesn't count.
Materialists don't see their world view for the narrow view that it is. They delude themselves into thinking that, by rejecting the idea of a creator, they are opening their minds up when the very opposite is the reality. Of course, the same charge can be laid at the feet of creationists as well, as we are so constantly reminded here. You can say that both groups are narrow in their thinking. Any world view narrows one's mind. To hold otherwise is to kid oneself.
Because the world views of the two groups are so far apart, it is nearly impossible to come to a mutually acceptable framework for interpreting the evidence. That is why it appears to you that evolutionists are so misimformed. They reject credible evidence that support the creationist thesis, such as Human footprints that are contemporaneous with fossilised dinosaur remains and reject the evidence as "irrelevant". that is why many creationists reject evidence that forces postulated by Darwin may have a role in the diversity of our planet. I've been challenged to define MicroEvolution, unfortunately Any definition I come up with will be rejected my the materialists here because the acrimony by the two groups worldwide has caused the evolutionists to redefine terms in a way that would make agreement on the matter impossible. There was a time when even the scientific community used the two terms MicroEvolution and MacroEvolution and a reasonable debate was possible using that line of demarcation. But, in response to ID and the recent resurgence of creationist political power, the evolutionists have blurred that line making any agreement impossible.
So there you have it Zagor. I say take the high road. Let the materialists engage in their bashing all they want. Makes the weakness of their position all the more apparent.
Cheers!
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never seen so much hatred
by PMJ ini think that every one on this site goes way over the top calling jehovahs wittnesses names you spend more time trying to prove them wrong than you do prasing god.i mean is this your purpose in life.if you no more about the bible than the wittnesses then go straght a head and speak.but dont act like a spoiled brat calling people names.a lot of people on this site will belevae what they want to beleave because it suits there lifestyle lets get to the root of whats realy in your hearts
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Welcome aboard PMJ!
You intially asked why so much hatred? Well, if you look around you will find that many here, like myself, ended up being abused by the leadership of the organization. After years of abuse and injustice, it is a little hard not to have some hatred for those who one so trusted and who betrayed that trust. I know, I am among that crowd!
I try to take a higher road and only tell what I can of my experiences and those of others I know, some of whom are still in the organization. But every once and a while, the anger still comes through. The Society often says that those who leave are a bitter bunch. They ought to know, they made us! Enough Watchtower bashing for the moment.
The conversation, as I see it, is about the trinity doctrine and touches on John 1:1. You'd probably be surprised to find out that is one of the JW doctrines I still abide in. Although I am not a real great advocate of the NWT, I do agree with its rendering of that verse. Almost any first year student of Greek can tell you that the Greek there does not support a trinitarian rendering if one leaves out the Bogus Colwell's Rule. For many years, trinitarian scholars have been trying to explain that fact away with no real success. Now I have no problem with somebody believing in the trinity if they want to, that is between them and God alone in my opinion. I am nobody's judge. But lets at least translate his word as accurately as possible. Since the NWT's rendering really makes no real difference when it comes to proving whether or not there is a trinity, it amazes me the way many scholars come out and condemned it They ought to know better!
Well, glad to meet you PMJ. time to let somebody else speak.
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The FINAL Answer to Evolutionist Fools !
by Reluctant Buddha inall righty, so what if the bible (genesis 1) says the earth is older than the stars?.
godidit!
god is magical!
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Sure am JeanniebeanZ. He deserved it though!
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