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  Dad very seriously ill..... How did I find out?

  by Gretchen956 in

  1. social
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  first let me start off by saying i am very sick myself right now.

  i have a virus that settled in my nerves (very very painful and no it isn't herpes), and now two weeks in i caught a very bad upper respiritory bronchities.

  i spent my day in bed as i have been for most of two weeks now with no end in sight (dammit).. not trying for sympathy points, but this just isn't a good time for this!.

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  Forscher

  Sorry to hear about it as well Sherry. And the really sick part of the whole thing is that it would've been legit family business to inform you about your Dad. But then, the pharisaical attitude of many Dubs never ceases to astound me.
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  Rutherford and Women

  by sammielee24 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ..after reading all the previous info about rutherford and his family/residences etc., is there any proof that exists that rutherford did in fact have a mistress at some time during his separation from his wife?

  i thought there was some speculation that there was a very young woman who lived with him and travelled with him, being his lover but i can't recall her name.

  in addition, how did his wife survive financially if she had no job?

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  Simple enough on the women score. It seems that in all the history of the WTBTS only three people of the opposite sex who were unmarried to each other ever shared the same apartment at Bethel. They were Rutherford, and two different women during the years he was there (though I'll bet you a steak dinner the WTBTS leadership has made sure any official documentation of that one has long ago been destroyed.). Now I don't know about you, but I don't see how an alpha-male type like Rutherford would share living arraingments with a woman for years and not get a piece of the pie. Since spending a few hours alone with one of the opposite sex is considered By the WTBTS as being presumptive of sexual activity for judicial purposes, then I think it reasonable to make the same presumption with Rutherford.
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  Is the Watchtower behind this "unbiased" website?

  by SeymourButts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just happened to stumble across this website while doing some research.

  although it claims to not be biased toward any religous denomination, it has a decidedly watchtower slant to all of its bible translations and subject commentaries.

  it completely supports 607bc and even claims that only 144,000 will be going to heaven.

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  A quick look at some of the renderings in his version was interesting. In John 1:1 he translates the last phrase as "and the word was powerful". Rev. 3: calls Jesus the "earliest of God's creations". I didn't check him out on how he handles "Stauros". It should be fun to look at some other things in his translation.
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  What's the most mileage you did in 1 day going door to door?

  by JH in

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  we used to go out in the country twice a week, and the furthest i went was about 40 miles (60km) away.. just in that one day, i drove over 200km (125 miles) going door to door.

  as if we didn't do enough, when we came back to our town, we went in the field service form 5 to 7 and from 7 to 9pm..

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  Years ago I was an assistant book study conductor in an isolated group. Just to get to the little KH they had was a 44 mile trip one way. Since going out in service could add as much as 10-15 miles before knocking on the the first door in the territory, I am sure I racked up over more than 100 miles on more than one occasion, though I never kept a record.
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  Nathan Homer Knorr - Post your story about him here

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there have been much research lately into the biographies of ct russell and "judge" rutherford, the first and second presidents of the watchtower bible and tract society, but not so much research into the biography of the third president of the wbts, nathan homer knorr.. as there are many people still living, and who also post here at jwd, who knew nathan knorr personally, it might be worthwhile to start a thread about the life and personality of knorr.. so if anyone has any knorr stories, please post them here.

  i will start off by posting some basic biographical information.. --vm44.

  nathan homer knorr.

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  By the way, I did have the opportunity to meet Knorr at an assembly a few years before he died. I even have a picture of the event. I can't give the details since it could be used to ID me if the wrong person reads it, so, sorry folks!
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  Nathan Homer Knorr - Post your story about him here

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there have been much research lately into the biographies of ct russell and "judge" rutherford, the first and second presidents of the watchtower bible and tract society, but not so much research into the biography of the third president of the wbts, nathan homer knorr.. as there are many people still living, and who also post here at jwd, who knew nathan knorr personally, it might be worthwhile to start a thread about the life and personality of knorr.. so if anyone has any knorr stories, please post them here.

  i will start off by posting some basic biographical information.. --vm44.

  nathan homer knorr.

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  I am sure you noticed the canes that were being carried by Knorr & company in the one photo. There is a story behind that which is told on the net somewhere, though I don't have the site address. It seems that Covington talked about how they had to have those canes becaused a radical group was there to break up the convention. Rutherford had the canes handed out and told them all to go after the trouble makers when they started to disrupt the assembly. It seems that Knorr was a coward and ran when he got the oportunity to do so unobserved by Rutherford. Covington told the story years later to a researcher while he was DF'd and before he died. He never respected Knorr after that.
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  Watchtower Library and Copyright Issues

  by Asking in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i really need good answers on this.

  i don't want a law suit.

  is it ok to list the articles titles that i'm commenting on my website and then paraphrase what i believe that article says without writing quotes.

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  I'd say look around at how some of the more scholarly folks do their "works cited" lists on the essays they post on the net. It shouldn't be all that hard to find a few. Follow how they quote or paraphrase the materials and how they list the sources and you shouldn't go wrong. The standards they use are there for a reason, so that they can't be accused of either plagarising somebody else's work or violating copyrights. As long as you follow the standards, the lawyers at the WTBTS shouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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  The Aramaic Prayer of Jesus?

  by SWALKER in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i received this in an e-mail and thought i'd put it out there for comments:.

  what do you all make of all this?

  a wonderous thing.. .

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  Aramaic is still spoken by a few in Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi group is growing smaller each year because they are Christian and are being run out of Iraq by radical Muslims. I agree that the Lord's prayer that we have in Greek is a translation as greek wasn't the primary language spoken in Israel. We do know from various manuscripts found in the area that both Aramaic and a highly aramatized Hebrew were spoken in the Irael of the first and early second century. I am not going to be dogmatic about which language Jesus taught the Lord's prayer in since I think he used whatever language best suited the audience he was targeting.
  Remember that Israel was a crossroads in the middle east. A certain level of proficiency in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin was probably normal for most trades men, such as the carpenter from Nazareth. I don't doubt that most kids grew up in that time hearing most, if not all of those languages spoken on the streets, and you know how easy it is for the little ones to become polyglotts. Down in the Carribean, it is not all that unusual to find street urchins proficient in as many as four languages. So I think it only reasonable that Jesus was capable of using whichever language would be best understood by the most in whatever group he spoke to.
  Since the Greek and the Peshitta are remarkably close in their content, I think the version we have to be more reliable than the one posted first on this thread.
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  Disturbing paragraph in Dec 15, 2005 Watchtower

  by yaddayadda in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the 2nd study article, page 29, paragraph 17.

  "a similar shocking end will come to the symbolic harlot who has the name "babylon the grat.

  " the harlot represents the false religions of satan's world, which have their origin in the ancient city of babylon.

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  I think it was blondie who noted that CTR taught that it would be the institutions that would be destroyed, rather than the people, at armageddon. I've been doing some research on what CTR taught and she is right as far as I know. CTR tried to harmonize all the prophecles of doom and gloom with his understanding of God being a god of love. Remember, one of the things that caused him to reject the mainline teachings in the first place was that he couldn't accept the teaching that a God, who personified love, would delight in torturing people forever in a lake of fire. That was logically inconsistent as far as he was concerned. So, he came to the conclusion that it was human society and its institutions which would suffer destruction at Armageddon, which he saw as a time period, rather than a literal battle as Rutherford would later teach.
  Rutherford had his own agenda for changing that. During the first ten years of his presidency of the WTBTS, right at three-fourths of the Bible Students severed their association with him and the WTBTS. He never forgave them that and taught that they were going to be consigned to eternal death for having the stones to leave him. His vengeful streak also extended to the rest of the world since they wouldn't flock to his banner, so he consigned them all to destruction at Armageddon and eternal death as well. He was a real piece of work!
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  JWs knock on my door three times in one week

  by Sirona in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my husband is off work at the moment recovering from a double hernia operation.

  the jws knocked one day and our friend, who was here doing a bit of painting for us, answered the door and simply told them he wasn't the householder.. then at the weekend, early on a saturday morning, they knocked again.

  i was in my nightclothes and had only just gotten up, or i would have answered.

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  Ignore them. That'll drive them crazy!
  Forscher