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  What is an elders manual ?

  by eve342832 in

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  geevee

  Secret info from Page 143 of the ks book:
  This is page 143. Blank in the ks91 book but with carefully dictated paragraphs:
  
  k.s. p143 addendum
  Child Abuse. Ref Letters: A.B.E Aug 29th 1989 pg 3; LLA 10/10/2002; 28/8/02.
  Legal ramifications.
  In cases of either accusation or allegations of child abuse, immediately contact the society. Do Not talk to anyone else.
  If a brother or a sister confesses to child abuse, ask them not to speak to anyone else till you get back to them, and contact the society immediately.
  In contacting the society simply state “Matter involving Child Abuse” and the switchboard will put you through.
  *If interviewed by the police, tell them you are not prepared to make a statement until you have sought legal advice. Contact society immediately or a local barrister if necessary.
  *If presented with a search warrant or a subpoena, the last resort is to hand over any material. (Cong file) Find out exactly what is wanted and hand over only that. Preferably seek legal advice first. (stall)
  Read the warrant. Write on envelope “Ecclesiastical privilege claimed, not to be opened until matter is determined by court.
  
  *Expressions that are not to be used on S77 & S79 forms:
  6 expressions that should not be used on the S77 and S79 forms are:
  1) Anything eluding to or naming one of the societies lawyers.
  2) Any mention of the Legal Department.
  3) Any comments referring to direction from the society.
  4) Any comments mentioning anyone other than the committee itself as a possible influence in the decision reached.
  5) Any comment that might suggest to someone with a critical eye that the committee did not reach it’s decision on it’s own, but instead, somehow yielded to the influence of an outside party.
  6) Any comments indicating that the elders mishandled the case or committed and error in the investigation or the judicial process.
  • see also pages 122 and 101.
  
  Letter to A.B.A June 30, 1995.
  All material related to judicial matters should be kept in a safe place, accessible only to Elders. Final reports on handling of judicial matters should be kept in a sealed envelope in the congregation file.
  A Judicial Committee should avoid sending to an individual, any kind of correspondence that accuses him of specific wrongdoing. (note: k.s91 pp110-111)
  Nothing should be put in writing to any disfellowshipped person to advise him of his status or the reasons for it without specific direction from the society. The rules and procedures of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not require such written disclosures. Anything in writing submitted to a Judicial Committee should be kept in strict confidence. If a Judicial Committee disfellowships an individual, he should be informed orally of the action taken and of the right to appeal.
  If the wrongdoer refuses to attend the hearing, two members of the judicial Committee should attempt to contact the individual at his home and inform him orally of the decision. If this is not possible the two elders may be able to inform him by telephone.
  
  Unit 5 (c) 143
  
  
  Enjoy the "secret information.......
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  My invite to the special talk.

  by PoppyR in

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  so my mother 'invited' me to the special talk today.. made me smile that at least she knows i would not be going otherwise (i'm not going anyway!).

  she handed me the watchtower with the invitation printed on it and said i could keep it.

  i just said thank you, put the wt down on her table and left it there.

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  Special Talk.....hmmmmmm
  Gave a couple, yeah what is so special? It is a new outline from the "faithful slave" [puek!!] It gets worked into all the other outlines and becomes just another talk!
  Enjoy your lay in. Our sunday special is Bacon, Eggs and Toast, fresh coffee/tea and a relaxing start to the day.
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  I got the call today, only one problem

  by SickofLies in

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  well i just got home and i have a message on my machine saying that there will be a meeting tomorrow at the kingdom hall at 8:30pm for my appeal.

  however, they said on the recording that i will be responsible for getting my own ride there.

  there in lies the problem as i don't have a car right now.

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  Hi, I wish you all the best with your meeting, appeals are a bit of a waste of your time, but it is also a waste of the original 3 and the appeal committees. They only want tom determine if the original committee erred in it's judgement and methodology.
  Ask heaps of questions, pull them back to origunal points. Ask why.....why.....why.... the three times asking why will help keep it on issue. Ask for the Bible reasons, not publications, read the context of all the scriptures they use, get them to read the context too.
  Good luck.
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  INACTIVE....FOR ALL TO SEE!!!!!!

  by Gill in

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  my husband and myself have not been to a meeting for over 4 years now.. we learnt last night from my sister that our names are still pinned on a list of inactive publishers on the notice board at the back of the kh along with about 15 others!!!!!.

  i'm totally gobsmacked having considered ourselves successful faders!!!!.

  what the hell do they think they're playing at?!!

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  What about next time your sister is at hall cleaning and no one is looking she grab the list off the board and destroy it?
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  If you didn't go to the Memorial last night, what did you do?

  by Victorian sky in

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  we watched the tv show, 'the amazing race' (the couple i didn't like finally got the boot), ate take out chinese food, and had a relaxing night.

  my mom, aunts and inlaws all went, poor souls, we prayed for them.

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  Had a nice roast beef dinner and then watched TV with the family, and ate some chocolate easter eggs!!!! Yum, the best ever....
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  GOOGLE VIDEO

  by Rijk Janssen in

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  jehovah's witnesses exposed

  jehovah's witnesses disfellowship tactics

  jehovah's temple build by solomon

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  geevee

  David Kohler, you rock man. I hope that you read this forum and know that you are a legend. Thanks for getting this information out and for trying to make the GB of the WTS accountable, wven though we all know that they will never admit it ever.
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  Can you be disfellowshipped for missing the Memorial ?

  by google_mE in

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  have you ever heard of a jw being disfellowshipped for missing the memorial on purpose ?.

  just curious.. -me

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  We have now had two invitations delivered to us. One by Junior Elder with what could be a big gun...at least that's how it looked innhis pocket.....the other by Sister Elder..[even more official]!!!
  Of course we will be attending in some back woods congo that no one has even heard of!! [NOT]
  It is possible that our non attendance will raise a few questions, will they have the balls to want to come around and ask? No one has to date about our concerns related to the whole child abuse/pedophile thingy.
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by south african beef in

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  ive just ordered "crisis of conscience" from amazon.

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  i am already totally free from dubdom but will this book make sure that i never return?

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  geevee

  A big clincher for us was reading Edmond Gruss' book on the four presidents of the Watchtower. Bit of a challenge to read as there are appendices in the back that you must repeated turn to as you read, but talk about slam dunk.
  
  I had read COC and Gentile Times Revisited, but after the president book I couldn't do it any longer.
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  Worst/strangest bookstudy group

  by Virgochik in

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  ok, i was reading the "worst bookstudy book" thread, and it got me thinking about the worst book study groups i went to.

  once, my dad was study conductor and the study was held in an elderly sister's home.

  there was antique furniture and doilies on the tables.

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  Whilst moving up the ranks, my wife and I were in heaps of different groups in our area. These were all an education.
  One conductor would stop half way and get everyone in the group to recite the books of the bible. If anyone got one wrong, then the whole group had to start again from Genesis. It got very tedious very quickly.
  Most conductors would drag the thing out the whole hour or more, like they were counting the time for it! may be they were?!
  One guy would almost day dream in his analysis of whether he had extracted every once of life out of each paragraph. Loved the sound of his own voice.
  Another one would do all this heavy JW research and then ask some obscure question that he , and only he would know the answer to. Talk about it. I got into him a couple of times for going 15-20 minutes overtime, he didn't like it either.
  When I finally got the privelege, I found that if I kept it flowing and finished it early, everyone was happy, me especially.
  in fact the only benefit of being an elder was that I didnt have to sit through someone elses boring book study.
  We had the group in our house, and people used to take advantage of the situation, not respect our property and go anywhere in the house they wanted. One couple even had their kid vomitting in our spa bath! Like it didn't matter, and what the #*^k were they doing down there anyway!!
  Oh they joy. So glad to have all my evening free these days.
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  How secure are the GB?

  by vitty in

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  i was thinking today, how secure are the governing body?

  with all the hatred they have created over the years it wouldnt take much to send someone over the top and try to "exterminate" the ones who they feel are responsible for maybe a ruined marriage or life.. i cetainly wouldnt want to be in their shoes.

  but i wounder how they feel, do you think they feel secure and safe.

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  geevee

  Hey, if they all died of food poisoning, wouldn't they get all the 8000+ members of the FDS together and allow them to "vote" in a new GB? Cause they would know who they all are wouldn't they?
  So that they were actual representatives of the "remnant" and not just yes men for whoever is in charge of it?
  ......hahahah not likely.......
  
  BTW, Who is the chairman of the GB these days?