Posts by geevee

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Ambiguities surrounding the enforcement of Watchtower rules

by drew sagan in

i could write a good bit on this topic, but thought i would simply open this up for discussion.

here are a few things to think about:.

- the watchtower has no fundamental writing that it turns to as its foundational text.

geevee

Different CO's have their own ideas and they encourage bodies of elders in certain directions. We had one who had a definition of loose conduct. So we noted it, did some "research" and found the wt articles that backed his definition. We then set about using his definition and followed "the steps" closely and d/fed a guy. The branch questioned the decision. We supplied the articles and the action stood.

Interestingly, not long after they came out and said that bodeis of elders have no rights in determining if a couple has the right to seperate or not, that elders weren't to get involved in saying that they had/didn't have grounds to split.

Thereby preventing the kind of action that was taken.

CO's are a big influence, and their particular "bent" determines the application of some of these fluid rules.

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the RV just became a DNC!!!!

by highdose in

some of you may remember me posting a few days ago that my shop had become some jw's magazine route.

well today the staff who was supposed to man the shop has called in sick, which meant that i had to go in and open up.

who should i find waiting for me on the door step with a big beaming self righteous grin on his face but a jw!

geevee

Interesting.... good on you for giving it to him... both barrels.

So what does he mean about 607 and 1914? Has it changed so much in the last 5 years?

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How can a JW say that?

by TD in

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--that's a question i keep coming back to.

it's probably a "human nature" question more than anything else, but perhaps someone who was a full-fledged jw (unlike myself) can explain it.

virtually the entire jw belief system, even their name, revolves around their public ministry and this ministry is based on certain ideas and premises:.

geevee

I think that going out in the f/s was a way of showing ones "faith" regardless of whether you made a convert or not. I generally hoped that in all reality I did NOT meet someone who wanted to take it any further and study the beliefs. It was more convienient to just do my time from door to door and leave it at that. I had too much else to do, let alone study with someone.

I had an episode where I studied up on THE DRAGNET and what it meant in a parable of jesus. I then studied through all the wt stuff and none of the former applications made any sense in relation to the change of the generation stuff. I ran it past a c/o and others and they agreed that it made no sense, but didn't want to think about it lest it spoil their faith. I had to trust in jah, wait upom him, stay loyal to christ's brothers.... I bet if i got the latest wt cd and looked it all up again, it would NOT have changed even now.

Thin end of the wedge!!!!!

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Have you ever tried/would you try hypnotherpy?

by highdose in

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i know some people who swear by it.

and i know that according to the jw's its meant to be one of the ultimate wicked things to do but now that i've debunked most of what they taught me i''m starting to wonder.. .

so does anyone have experiance with this?

geevee

I have spent two years studying to be a Clinical Hypnotherapist. I haven't started practicing it yet.

All JW's should acknowlege that they have been under the influence of Hypnosis the whole time they have been IN.....

Hypnosis is:

1] Bypassing the critical factor of the conscious mind

2] The giving and accepting of suggestions.

That is hypnosis in a nut shell. We all go through stages of hypnosis every day. The ad comes on tv, next thing we are looking for a chocolate bar.

WOW! is that public talk over already! The time just flew! Prayer is the same as a group hypnotherapy session. Consider that with your eyes closed, one of your senses is disabled your concentration is all the more focussed. The critical factor bypassed, the suggestions go straight in!

I could go on. Also in hypnosis, you are NOT comatose. In fact your senses are heightened.

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Facebook condemned

by straightshooter in

my wife told me that at the last meeting, the elders announced that youngsters going to the skateboarding park were no longer to have any privileges in the congregation.

this is to prevent jw youngs to be rounded up if a drug raid was made at the skateboarding park.. also because of individuals requesting that they be friends on facebook that contain bad pictures, that anyone with a facebook account will automatically have their privileges removed.. sounds like the pharasees protecting the people by adding additional traditions upon them.. .

geevee

This is also why elders had some special instructions dictated to them and recorded on page 143 of their elders book. No official letter from the "mother" but dictated and written in by hand. Allows them to duck for cover and deny everything if they want.

It only makes the kids do more things in the darkness and privacy of their own bedrooms. Push the kids underground. The younger dubs aren't stupid as far as the internet is concerned. New account, new user names, inform your friends by text message, and it is business as usual. Parents wouldn't have a clue.

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Silent Lambs--10 Years Old

by jamiebowers in

http://www.theopenpress.com/?a=articles&code=01&id=469.

geevee

I would like to bring this article back to the attention of all forum members.

What a great resource this web site has been for all victims, both of JW pedophiles and rank and file members who dare to question and seek answers.

The question is "Can we help them to continue?"

Please Help...........................

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It's 2010 - 96 Years since 1914 - Once Again WT Society's Failed Predictions

by flipper in

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ray franz saw it.

but the normal rank and file jehovah's witness doesn't have a clue as to how many times the predictions of dates allegedly marking the " end of the world " have come and gone without realization or fulfillment.

here is a short summation from ray franz's book " crisis of conscience " for those who were not aware.. on pg.

geevee

HI, just out of interest, I read that in 1799 Napoleon kidnapped the Pope!..... something did happen in 1799, the start of the last days. Even the early WT fathers believed that was the year. How wrong they were/are....

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FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT THE TRUTH?

by lgadsden in

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jehovahs day comes at this moment and u realize u were in the right place but because of leaving you are now doomed.

would everything gained (temporary) enjoyment worth it?.

geevee

All we can now hear are crickets chirping in the moonlight..................

My feeling is, that upon leaving the borg, it is worth it. As far as it being god's organization.... he left a long time ago too, if indeed he was ever there in the first place.

Imagine the heart beat that this guy had when he decided to post? The reading the follow ups and thinking he was real clever! I hope that he has the COURAGE to stay a while, read, and LEARN........

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Since Leaving The "Truth" Is Your Life Better?

by minimus in

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you are told that if you "go back to the vomit" of the world, you will be miserable.. is your life better or worse since you've removed yourself from the organization's hold?.

geevee

Way better.... If I want to waste my own free time, that is one thing, but when it is done for me, for what is in the end no good reason, then it is another thing completely.

Even if it were "the truth" I wouldn't want it.... Like someone said to my wife recently: "Once you've had black.... you'll never go back!" [I think they were talking about coffee!!!!!!]

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Respected Jehovah's Witness groomed and molested young girls over years

by Simon in

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/respected-jehovahs-witness-groomed-and.5911846.jp.

a respected jehovah's witness who served as an elder betrayed the trust placed in him by abusing young girls.. james michael o'brien followed one schoolgirl into a kitchen when she was alone away from adults making tea at meetings he was hosting.. .

he pulled her towards him, sexually assaulted her and began to kiss her.. .

geevee

Interesting that the court was told he was no longer a JW.... probably kicked him just before he went to trial. Oh well, he can always work real hard and get re-instated. Elders and MinServs will be encouraged to visit and support him while he is in jail.... He will be back witnessing asap!