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  Looking For Love - Will Travel

  by LouBelle in

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  that is it - i want to share my life, my beliefs, my body with someone who'll love me for me.. and that is all i have to say on the matter..

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  TheListener

  Lou,

  You're a brave person. I know if you keep looking you will find someone.

  One of the most important aspects of a relationship is honest open communication. You've got that down pat.

  (((hugs)))

  TL
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  News from Mother ship

  by jefferywhat in

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  1. bethel in ny suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there.

  2. major organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, po to be done away with, thats all i know for now.

  was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long.

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  Hubert,

  JeffreyWhat posted this:

  This is an old thread but where I stated that there will be changes made that are so big old timers wont deal with it.
  
  Book study is gone, we know that now.
  
  Next comes theocratic structure PO, Co etc.
  
  Then comes the change in witnessing ( big one!!)
  
  Then come the change in name, bigger again.
  
  And more........
  
  Told you didnt I!! :-)

  I don't know which page of this thread it occurs on. Hope this helps.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

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  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Thanks Jgnat.

  You know I never once got a W on timing! I was always the guy who had to cut his service meeting part by half in order for the meeting to end on time.

  If I do this I will wait until after the DC. That way my action won't become a cause of anxiety during the convention and thus become a topic of discussion.

  MJ, thanks. You have always been a great help to me. You know that I've laid quite a bit of groundwork regarding the scientologists. The latest stuff with that website (wikileak?) putting up secret documents may be just the thing I can use to bring the subject up.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

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  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Gary, your comments, as usual, strike home. That is exactly how I feel about it. However, I temper that feeling with the thought that I can somehow save my children from being raised as I was.

  Because of my sacrifice my children have much much more freedom than I ever had and much more freedom than other children at the kingdom hall. I am very hopeful that my children will grow up free from enslavement to the WTBS. If they don't I will have peace of mind knowing I did everything I could to protect them.

  I did make the decision a long time ago that if my wife would accept me as a non-witness I would accept her as a witness. She does and so do I.

  That being said, I would love it if she woke up and we could both laugh about the insane WT rules and regulations and all of the numerology used. Maybe one day.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  TheListener

  Now all we need is a current long time Bethelite to defect and bring copies of the Governing Body meeting minutes with him.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

  1. jw
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  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  Thank you everyone for your comments. Your thoughts are just like mine. They go from bring the book out in the open to let sleeping dogs lie.

  I'm going to take my time making a decision. Once I bring the book out I can't undo it. So, I'll take my time and see which way the winds continue to blow.

  Changeling,

  I am a baptized witness who faded away.... Now I am a married man who no longer belieives, thus I consider myself a UBM (unbelieving mate). Perhaps my definition is incorrect. But, I don't think there is a qualification of never having been a witness to be a UBM. Regardless, your points are on target - damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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  UBM: Bringing CoC Home

  by TheListener in

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  2. friends

  i don't post as much as i used to.

  i certainly don't start many threads anymore.. but, i thought it would be nice to get some feedback.

  both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.i am a ubm.

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  I don't post as much as I used to. I certainly don't start many threads anymore.

  But, I thought it would be nice to get some feedback. Both from those that know my situation well and those that don't.I am a UBM. I completed my fade 2 1/2 years ago. Wow, time flies.

  The fade was very traumatic for my wife. We are still together and happy. We talk about the "friends" at the hall and she keeps me up to date with the latest gossip. We don't discuss too many religious topics but she knows I read and study quite a variety of religious material. My wife totally believes the WTS but she's not super active - I wish she didn't believe but at least she's not overly active.

  I've never had any apostate material at home. I've never let her know that I've read CoC and ISoCF and GTR.

  I am seriously thinking that the time may be right to buy CoC again and have it delivered to my home.

  I'm of two minds on this one. First, I want to leave it around so she can snoop in it if she chooses. I want her to know that I'm still thinking and I am open to hearing all sides of an argument. But, on the other side, I don't want to destabilize the fragile peace we've developed. If she sees that I'm reading that book she may become more of a zealot and write me off entirely.

  Can our marriage survive our don't ask don't tell policy? I guess so. Will it be the happy marriage I always dreamt of having? Probably not. I would venture a guess that she would give the same answers to the marriage questions.

  Opinions? I know the board is hesitant to give opinions but in this case please do. hahahaha
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  How are they controlling the use of technology during meetings/conventions?

  by candela in

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  2. experiences

  there was no texting or cellphones readily available for all teenagers and kids when i last attended a meeting or convention.

  you use to have to talk or draw or write notes to keep yourself entertained during the long hours of boredom, which wasn't easy to do discretely.

  i would've love to have texting phones in that time!

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  The WTS doesn't control it through technology. They control it through intimidation and peer pressure.

  There are a lot of youths that use their phones for texting during the Assy., and Conventions. But, they are labelled weak.

  Strong youths pay attention and listen to the information.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  Ooops. Yes, John not Paul. My bad. sorry.

  All in all I really enjoyed Bethel. The camaraderie that we all shared along with our youthful ignorance and energy made for a fun time. Did we get in trouble? Sure. But, it wasn't serious long lasting trouble.

  We were smart and always left goodies for our housekeeper. She never ratted us out for music, books or anything else.
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  Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

  by Dogpatch in

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  having problem pasting this...

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  Couch's rhetoric was in the 80s.

  He used to mention how some Bethelites would walk across the Brooklyn Bridge and visit the club CBGBs. He would go so far as to ask rhetorically 'how could anyone touch a door handle that hoooommmmmmooooooooosexuuuuuuuuuuuals touched?'

  It's been a long time but as I recall it he was fixated on homosexual behavior. What does that say about him? I have no idea.