Posts by TheListener

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What was your first Computer?

by The Lone Ranger in

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the last topic got me thinking about this.. my first computer was back in 1981, a sinclair zx81, it has 1k of memory.

then in 1982 i progressed to a clone of an apple 2 with 16k of memory which i incresed to 48k, a floopy drive for that apple cost me $600 !!!

.. in approx 1987 i got an ibm xt 640megs with a 20meg hard drive..it was like a dream .

TheListener

First VIC-20 (made by commodore)

Then Commodore 64

I loved those things. The tape drive, floppy drive and the plug-in expansion modules. whoo hoo.

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Gleaning and Fasting, what are the Jehovah's Witness views on this?

by insearchoftruth in

my wife was wondering why some people fast as religious practices and i told her that fasting is often spoken about in the bible, both ot and nt.

what is the viewpoint of the wts on the practices of gleaning and fasting?

i am amazed about how many things these "bible students" just gloss over in their teachings and studies.....but i guess neither fasting nor gleaning gets magazines and books distributed, do they?.

TheListener

There have been articles on gleaning and tithing. Basically the jw's go with the principle of the matter and not the physical aspect of it.

Bethelites glean after meals (they run around like maniacs with tupperware and stuff to gather leftovers from the various dining tables).

They don't really discuss fasting.

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When do folks who study with a JW generally start to tell thier friends?

by insearchoftruth in

my wife is again studying with a jw sister, and earlier this week the sister was telling her about how wonderful it is to witness for jehovah.

well since i have known my wife, she has never spoken positively about the jws to anyone.

when can i expect her to be told that she should be sharing this with others.

TheListener

Every person is different. Many swear they'll never go door to door - but they eventually do.

If your wife has spoken negatively about the witnesses to her friends then she'll have to get over her embarrassment before she lets them in on the latest news.

She may not be discussing it with you because you are going to try and reason her out of it or she may also be embarrassed and not want think about you looking down on her intelligence for studying, especially after the negative talk (not that you do look down on her - it's an irrational fear - everyone has irrational fears).

I would say that when she does start openly mentioning it and telling others - she's bought it hook line and sinker. You have until just before she starts telling others to get her out. First comes her internal decision of acceptance and then after an unknowable period of time comes her verbal affirmation of her internal decision.

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Witchtower twists yet another scripture 2Cor 12: 8 -10 Nov 15 WT

by hamsterbait in

november 15 study edition, p24 para 5.. "regarding his "thorn in the flesh", paul made fervent pleas to jehovah (the scripture actually says the lord) read 2 cor 12: 8 - 10) god did not miraculously relieve paul of the "thorn in the flesh".

instead, god strengthened him to endure it.

jehovah's (whose???

TheListener

Leolaia,

Great post, as usual.

I didn't realize the MT and LXX varied so much on Leviticus 24:16.

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Witchtower twists yet another scripture 2Cor 12: 8 -10 Nov 15 WT

by hamsterbait in

november 15 study edition, p24 para 5.. "regarding his "thorn in the flesh", paul made fervent pleas to jehovah (the scripture actually says the lord) read 2 cor 12: 8 - 10) god did not miraculously relieve paul of the "thorn in the flesh".

instead, god strengthened him to endure it.

jehovah's (whose???

TheListener

I have a rather simplistic question:

Since the Jews didn't say God's name aloud due to religious beliefs, wouldn't it have caused at least some agitation among the crowd or Pharisees or Sadducees if Jesus used God's name? The Bible does record controversy over Jesus words but not his use of God's name.

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Literature Request: "God's Kingdom of a thousand Years Has Approached"

by insearchoftruth in

want to read the part on the selection of the wts as 'god's sole channel'.. thanks!.

TheListener

that's an old thick Freddie Franz special with a yellow cover.

I'l see if I have a .pdf of it. If not I'll scan the pages tonight. I'll check this thread to make sure someone hasn't done it by the time I get to it.

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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?

by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

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okay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.

okay, that just about does it.

i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......

TheListener

Last I heard Yasko was a DO in NoCal. Probably still trying to lighten the mood by making fun of his name and ethnicity.

Kin Suen was a kind man.

Franklin Park was an A**.

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shock breakthrough with my wife

by stillajwexelder in

so my wife out of the blue says .

"i thought when we went under ban, everyone would still meet in peoples houses at the the book groups.

now they are doing away with that arrangement, what does it all mean.?

TheListener

Most of us are familiar with how the elders really are.

They will do the smallest amount of work possible. Once the studies are disbanded it'll be like pulling teeth to get the newly titled CBSO to shepherd his little group.

Unless....the WTS makes the newly titled CBSO shepherd a separate family within his group each week. That would force the elders to shepherd and maintain control over the small groups. Of course, the elder wouldn't get a night off then. That would only last a short time before it sort of fades away.

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Final prep for 'bible' study tonite, topics Michael = Jesus and Generation

by insearchoftruth in

please take a quick glance at the following as i am in final preparations for sitting in with my wife on her bs this evening...the sister is bringing along her husband, the po from the congregation to answer some of my questions.

i know there will not be time to get to all of this, but is any of it extremely good or extremely worthless to ask.

i need to remember to keep calm, respectful, and realize that i can not attack, there may be times when i need to ask for more time.

TheListener

Interesting topic.

I don't have a copy of my NWT with references handy.

Does the NWT give any cross-references for the scriptures which seem to come from Enoch?

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Generation change & Michael/Jesus - wife's bible study

by insearchoftruth in

sat in on my wife's bible study tonight, next week the husband of her study sister is coming with her, he is actually the presiding overseer of the congregation.

tried to get me to talk about trinity next week, but the topics will be either generation or michael.. .

the sister pointed to the statement in matthew on generation, i believe it was matthew 24:14 and said that since jesus was talking to his disciples, that equates to the anointed.

TheListener

insearchof,

The JW canned response will come from the Reasoning book. If you have it good. If not get it.

They don't come up with answers for every argument. They don't need to - they're right regardless of what you argue. They just rely on being right no matter what you say.

It's unfortunate but there it is.

The most they can do is use the CDrom and/or read the Insight and Reasoning book - which all pretty much use the same arguments.